Author: Aaron Tay
Date: 23:43:22 04/16/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 02:03:54, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 17, 2001 at 00:19:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 23:08:29, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 22:46:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 19:58:14, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 15:52:33, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I've been away from this forum for a while, is this whole thing a bad joke?? >>>>> >>>>>WHY DO YOU THINK IT I A JOKE? >>>>>> >>>>>>Otherwise it sounds like a completely ridiculous way to select an opponent for >>>>>>Kramnik. >>>>> >>>>>WHY IS HAVING A PLAY OFF BETWEEN THE LEADING CONTENDERS CONSIDERED A RIDICULOUS >>>>>WAY TO SELECT THE BEST PROGRAMME? WHAT OTHER WAY CAN YOU SUGGEST? PERHAPS BASED >>>>>ON WHOSE COVER LOOKS THE PRETTIEST? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Any chance you will get your capslock key fixed? >>>> >>> >>>Hehe >>>I have noticed he always does it when replying, but not making an original post. >>> >>>>> >>>>>Do these guys really have the 'authority' to select an opponent for >>>>>>Kramnik? >>>>> >>>>>THE 'AUTHORITY' HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE ORGANISERS-IN THIS CASE THE BRAIN GAMES >>>>>NETWORK WHICH IS RAISING THE SPONSORSHIP NECESSARY FOR THIS MATCH.OBVIOUSLY THEY >>>>>MUST HAVE DISCUSSED WITH KRAMNIK HIS WILLINGNESS TO PLAY SUCH A MATCH BEFORE >>>>>COMMITTING THE RESOURCES TO ARRANGE SUCH A COSTLY VENTURE. >>>> >>>>Not really. the ICCA is _the_ sanctioning body for computer chess. If >>>>Kramnik wants to play the best computer chess program in the world, the ICCA >>>>should be the entity that provides that rating. Which it does in the form of >>>>two titles, either of which is presently held by Shredder. End of story. >>>> >>>>Shredder is the WCCC and WMCCC title-holder. >>> >>>And what to do when you can't reach agreement with Shredder....look elsewhere. >>> >>>>> >>>>>Will a match with Kramnik really take place? >>>>> >>>>>HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD; UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORSEEN (EG WITHDRAWAL OF SPONSORSHIP >>>>>MONEY; SUDDEN CHANGE OF MIND BY KRAMNIK) >>>>> >>>>>Isn't the ICCA involved >>>>>>at all? >>>>> >>>>>NO, SINCE THEY AREN'T SPONSORING THE MATCH. >>>> >>>> >>>>But they _are_ in charge of sanctioning computer chess. And they have a >>>>working relationship with FIDE. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The obvious selection to play Kramnik is Shredder, this is so clear that it is >>>>>>not funny. Shredder is the current World Computer Chess Champion, and has won >>>>>>the majority of important computer tournaments in recent years. >>>>> >>>>>IF IT IS THAT CLEAR WHY NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MATCHED AGAINST DJ AND DF. SINCE IT >>>>>IS CLEARLY THE BEST IT WILL WIN ANYWAY AND GIVE US THE ADDED BENEFIT OF WATCHING >>>>>ANOTHER COMP VS COMP MATCH BESIDES SETTLING ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS THE >>>>>STRONGEST SMP PROGRAMME. >>>> >>>>Shredder beat these programs a year ago in fact... >>> >>>How many games was that, that were played? >>>Im sure the number is going to be convincing. >>>And actually it won a tournament it didn't beat all individual programs. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >> >>Look at the WCCC crosstable. You will see shredder played _both_ and won >>both games. Two years worth of WMCCC and WCCC events was 21 games. I don't >>think it lost a _single_ game. > >The ssdf list is based on more games. >Shredder was never number 1 in this list. > >It is considered to be also an important tournament and I do not see a reason to >assume that the WMCCC or the WCCC are the only important tournaments. > >Uri I was wondering, will the match conditions against Kramnik be closer to that of SSDF conditions or WMCCC conditions? Shredder might not excel under SSDf conditions, but excels in WMCCC conditions[ I.e with operator tuning]. If the match against Krmanik is much like testing in SSDF, sure Shredder might not be the obvious best choice. But if it's closer to the WMCCC condition, perhaps Shredder has a bigger chance?
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