Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 23:49:17 04/16/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 02:20:11, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>On April 17, 2001 at 02:10:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On April 16, 2001 at 02:09:11, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2001 at 14:07:19, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 12:35:52, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 04:15:41, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 02:54:22, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry, but you all are testing COMMERCIAL versions!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The tournament version of these programs are something else!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So this means different results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hope to have been clear enough!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sandro Necchi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like a lack of good arguments. "Hey, don't look at what exists now, just
>>>>>>imagine what could exist in a few months".
>>>>>
>>>>>WE ALL KNOW THAT THE TOURNAMENT VERSION OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE STRONGER AND
>>>>>DIFFERENT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you mean that the Shredder used during tournaments is stronger than the one
>>>>which is sold to your customers?
>>>
>>>Of course it is. It must score the best in a few games, not to mention other
>>>differences. I am sure you know it!
>>>The same is for all tournament versions of all programs! Do you mean you bring a
>>>weaker version to the championship tournament or the same one?
>>
>>
>>
>>Gambit Tiger won the french and dutch Open, and it was the commercial engine
>>(actually the last beta version).
>>
>>I think in the dutch open Jeroen has been influencing the choice of the opening
>>lines (the probability to play a line or another one), but apart from that it
>>was the commercial engine with the commercial book.
>>
>>Can you confirm here that there exist a special version of Shredder which is
>>playing in tournaments and which is not sold commercially?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>NOBODY KNOWS WHICH PROGRAM IS THE BEST NOW BECAUSE NOBODY OWNS ALL THE NEW
>>>>>PROGRAMS.
>>>>>
>>>>>THE ONLY TIME ALL THE LATEST AND BEST VERSIONS MEET EACH OTHER IS IN THE WORLD
>>>>>CHAMPIONSHIP. WE ALL WORK HARD FOR ONE YEAR TO MAKE THE BEST AVAILABLE IN ORDER
>>>>>TO WIN IT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The only event where all the best programs meet each other, 365 days per year,
>>>>is the SSDF permanent tournament.
>>>
>>>I totally disagree!
>>>I am not against SSDF, which I know since years and admit they do a excellent
>>>job, but the use outclassed hardware and commercial versions only!
>>
>>
>>
>>They use the software and hardware that most people use. Is it unfair?
>>And they test the programs generally immediately after they reach the stores, so
>>I would not call this outclassed software.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>So many games are played, compared to the world championships, that the
>>>>tournaments you are talking about look like a child's joke.
>>>
>>>You must be kidding or trying to minimise the fact that you did not win the
>>>world champion title. No other explanations to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>I have won the spanish championship, the french championship, the dutch
>>championship, the Aufsess tournaments and many other private (but very serious)
>>tournaments.
>>
>>But I would not claim superiority because of these titles.
>>
>>The ultimate test is the SSDF list. Unfortunately I notice that Shredder is
>>hiding from this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>SO THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED WE WON.
>>>>>
>>>>>CAN YOU STATE THE CONTRARY???????
>>>>>
>>>>>NO YOU CANNOT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For how many years are you going to base all your propaganda on short
>>>>tournaments?
>>>
>>>Until we win the next tournament. Then we will start again!
>>
>>
>>
>>Any idea when you will accept the real challenge and let the SSDF publish the
>>true results?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Should I state the number of tournaments my program has won every time I run out
>>>
>>>Your program is very strong and you are a skilled programmer, but the most
>>>important tournament is the world championship. This is the point, you cannot
>>>play around it!
>>
>>
>>
>>I think I can notice disinformation when I see it.
>>
>>It is obvious that you are trying to squeeze every drop out of the WM title of
>>Shredder, but I don't think you should assume people are so stupid that they do
>>not notice that Shredder is hiding from the SSDF list.
>>
>>If it is so good, why did Weiner fight to forbid the SSDF from publishing the
>>result like is own life was in danger?
>>
>>If it is so good, what is the problem in playing a qualifying match against Deep
>>Fritz and Deep Junior? Weiner withdrew from the match as soon as he has learned
>>that there would be a qualifying round. If Shredder is superior, where is the
>>problem?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>of arguments?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SO MY POINT IS WHICH EVER PROGRAM IS WORLD CHAMPION HAS THE RIGHT TO CHALLANGE
>>>>>THE WORLD CHAMPION.
>>>>>
>>>>>IF YOU WIN THIS YEAR YOU'LL BE THE ONE NEXT YEAR.
>>>>>
>>>>>IS THIS A LACK OF ARGUMENTS?
>>>>>
>>>>>I REALLY DON'T THINK SO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Be real. Let Shredder enter the SSDF list and let's see what happens.
>>>
>>>I told you that the commercial versions are weaker, so SSDF can only state how
>>>strong is the commercial version which is sold to the pubblic and with the
>>>hardware they use!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>That's absolutely incredible, or I don't understand what you mean.
>>
>>So you are actually saying here that you are fooling your customers?
>>
>>"World champion" is written on the box of Shredder, but actually what is sold is
>>weaker than the actual world champion???
>>
>>Can you please confirm this?
>
>No, what I mean is that the tournament versions are always the latest one, so
>the book.
>The program is updated nearly everyday!
>Also a commercial version needs more variety in the book. That's normal!
>
>Sandro Necchi
OK, thanks.
Christophe
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