Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:49:02 04/17/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 00:25:08, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 22:24:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 19:01:03, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>>to take part. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>>> >>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>>the way to handle this. >>>> >>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>>xeon/900. >>>> >>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>By this reasonning, the program that must play against Kramnik is the WMCCC 2000 >>>SHREDDER ON A SINGLE CPU. Because this is the program which won the 2000 WMCCC. >>> >>>Allowing another version of the program or the hardware (in particular in the >>>number of processors) is allowing an unknown entity to take part to the match. >>>In this case, I do not see why other unknown entities would not be allowed to >>>take part as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>I don't follow that twisted reasoning at all. IE if shredder won on a PIII/500, >>and can now use a PIII/1000, why should it not use that? It would _obviously_ >>be even stronger. Ditto for a multiple-cpu machine. >> >>The _program_ and _author_ earned the right to play this match. That program >>_should_ play. And it should use the fastest hardware platform it can use. >> >>As far as unknown entities, you had the chance to participate and become the >>world computer chess champion. You didn't compete. SMK did. I believe that >>gives him the right as silicon world champion to compete with the carbon >>world champion. You don't get to duck the tough events then try to cash in on >>the publicity in such a match later. SMK took the chance, won the WMCCC and >>WCCC events, and is the _obvious_ choice for any match. > > > >I'm not sure I understand what you mean. > >Do you mean that because I did not participate in the last WMCCC I have nothing >to claim? > >Chess Tiger took part in the 2000 WMCCC. It even finished 3rd... > > > Christophe I was talking about the "WCCC" where unlimited hardware is allowed. That is _the_ title to hold within the ICCA. The WMCCC title is not as respected since the hardware is limited there... This was the event where Bruce and SMK met to determine the champion. I don't remember where it was as I didn't attend either.
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