Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:02:40 04/17/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 02:43:22, Aaron Tay wrote: >On April 17, 2001 at 02:03:54, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 17, 2001 at 00:19:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 23:08:29, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 22:46:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 19:58:14, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 15:52:33, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I've been away from this forum for a while, is this whole thing a bad joke?? >>>>>> >>>>>>WHY DO YOU THINK IT I A JOKE? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Otherwise it sounds like a completely ridiculous way to select an opponent for >>>>>>>Kramnik. >>>>>> >>>>>>WHY IS HAVING A PLAY OFF BETWEEN THE LEADING CONTENDERS CONSIDERED A RIDICULOUS >>>>>>WAY TO SELECT THE BEST PROGRAMME? WHAT OTHER WAY CAN YOU SUGGEST? PERHAPS BASED >>>>>>ON WHOSE COVER LOOKS THE PRETTIEST? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Any chance you will get your capslock key fixed? >>>>> >>>> >>>>Hehe >>>>I have noticed he always does it when replying, but not making an original post. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Do these guys really have the 'authority' to select an opponent for >>>>>>>Kramnik? >>>>>> >>>>>>THE 'AUTHORITY' HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE ORGANISERS-IN THIS CASE THE BRAIN GAMES >>>>>>NETWORK WHICH IS RAISING THE SPONSORSHIP NECESSARY FOR THIS MATCH.OBVIOUSLY THEY >>>>>>MUST HAVE DISCUSSED WITH KRAMNIK HIS WILLINGNESS TO PLAY SUCH A MATCH BEFORE >>>>>>COMMITTING THE RESOURCES TO ARRANGE SUCH A COSTLY VENTURE. >>>>> >>>>>Not really. the ICCA is _the_ sanctioning body for computer chess. If >>>>>Kramnik wants to play the best computer chess program in the world, the ICCA >>>>>should be the entity that provides that rating. Which it does in the form of >>>>>two titles, either of which is presently held by Shredder. End of story. >>>>> >>>>>Shredder is the WCCC and WMCCC title-holder. >>>> >>>>And what to do when you can't reach agreement with Shredder....look elsewhere. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Will a match with Kramnik really take place? >>>>>> >>>>>>HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD; UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORSEEN (EG WITHDRAWAL OF SPONSORSHIP >>>>>>MONEY; SUDDEN CHANGE OF MIND BY KRAMNIK) >>>>>> >>>>>>Isn't the ICCA involved >>>>>>>at all? >>>>>> >>>>>>NO, SINCE THEY AREN'T SPONSORING THE MATCH. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>But they _are_ in charge of sanctioning computer chess. And they have a >>>>>working relationship with FIDE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The obvious selection to play Kramnik is Shredder, this is so clear that it is >>>>>>>not funny. Shredder is the current World Computer Chess Champion, and has won >>>>>>>the majority of important computer tournaments in recent years. >>>>>> >>>>>>IF IT IS THAT CLEAR WHY NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MATCHED AGAINST DJ AND DF. SINCE IT >>>>>>IS CLEARLY THE BEST IT WILL WIN ANYWAY AND GIVE US THE ADDED BENEFIT OF WATCHING >>>>>>ANOTHER COMP VS COMP MATCH BESIDES SETTLING ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS THE >>>>>>STRONGEST SMP PROGRAMME. >>>>> >>>>>Shredder beat these programs a year ago in fact... >>>> >>>>How many games was that, that were played? >>>>Im sure the number is going to be convincing. >>>>And actually it won a tournament it didn't beat all individual programs. >>>> >>>>Sarah. >>> >>> >>>Look at the WCCC crosstable. You will see shredder played _both_ and won >>>both games. Two years worth of WMCCC and WCCC events was 21 games. I don't >>>think it lost a _single_ game. >> >>The ssdf list is based on more games. >>Shredder was never number 1 in this list. >> >>It is considered to be also an important tournament and I do not see a reason to >>assume that the WMCCC or the WCCC are the only important tournaments. >> >>Uri > >I was wondering, will the match conditions against Kramnik be closer to that of >SSDF conditions or WMCCC conditions? > >Shredder might not excel under SSDf conditions, but excels in WMCCC conditions[ >I.e with operator tuning]. If the match against Krmanik is much like testing in >SSDF, sure Shredder might not be the obvious best choice. > >But if it's closer to the WMCCC condition, perhaps Shredder has a bigger chance? It would be _exactly_ like the WCCC/WMCCC events. Manual operation, only one game per day, operator can adjust the book between rounds, etc.
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