Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:42:46 04/17/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 02:50:26, Aaron Tay wrote: >On April 17, 2001 at 00:21:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 23:16:03, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 22:51:17, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 20:08:12, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 19:53:23, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 18:38:42, Mike S. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 15:52:33, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(...) >>>>>>>>Firstly, any qualification tournament should be an author operated manual >>>>>>>>tournament on hardware selected and supplied by the author. Only this way can >>>>>>>>we be certain that each program will play at its best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you realise that this is a double-edged sword, at least for a top class >>>>>>>commercial product? The customers don't get author operation, or hardware >>>>>>>selection and supply by the author, when they buy a program. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So if I am repeatadly told, this program is at its best operated by its author >>>>>>>etc., I'm going to think it will not be at it's best when I use it myself on my >>>>>>>two years old computer, compared to other programs that do not claim this. It's >>>>>>>pure anti-PR. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Although I wonder if a program calculates faster, if the author clicks the >>>>>>>mouse. :o) >>>>>> >>>>>>Very funny :-) But really, I think your joke is misplaced. >>>>>> >>>>>>Its not that the programs can't play their best when the author is not present, >>>>>>the point is that if the author is present we can be SURE that the program is >>>>>>operating conditions which are optimal for it. >>>>>> >>>>>>If the program is operated by a 3rd party, then it is still possible that the >>>>>>program is operating under optimal conditions BUT we have a number of issues: >>>>>> >>>>>>1) The 3rd party is unlikely to be as careful as the author. The author has >>>>>>invested many years in his program, and therefore has much greater motivation >>>>>>for making sure that everything is set up 100% right. All those little things >>>>>>like selecting the right book, turning pondering on, configuring for the right >>>>>>number of CPUs, setting the right hash sizes, making sure that no other >>>>>>processes are stealing CPU, making sure tablebases are installed correctly etc >>>>>>etc. >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course a 3rd party will probably get these things right, but if you had to >>>>>>bet your life on it I think you'd rather have the program author doing it. >>>>>> >>>>>>2) The author will be much more capable of diagnosing any problems than a 3rd >>>>>>party. Problems? What problems you say. Well, lets think about hardware >>>>>>problems for a start. Memory can fail from time to time, and of course hard >>>>>>drives can fail too. And how about the CPU? Remember when Ed Shroeder managed >>>>>>to demonstrate that his Kryotech chip was faulty in one of the Rebel matches? >>>>>> >>>>>>These things are somewhat rare, although they are more common on the sort of >>>>>>state of art hardware that is likely to be in use. In any case, the author is >>>>>>likely to spot the problem (and recommend a course of action) before anyone >>>>>>else. >>>>>> >>>>>>3) Fairness: of course the 3rd party should be impartial, but how can we be sure >>>>>>of this? I don't personally know the people involved in the Kramnik >>>>>>qualification match, although I assume they are probably fair and unbiased. >>>>>>However I would have alot more faith in a competition being fair if the authors >>>>>>were present because I know they are going to make sure that they are getting a >>>>>>fair deal. >>>>>> >>>>>>Its like the old saying goes: 'Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to >>>>>>be done'. >>>>>> >>>>>>That about sums it up really. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Peter McKenzie >>>>> >>>>>HI PETER: APPARENTLY CHESSBASE IS MORE THAN HAPPY FOR ENRIQUE TO OPERATE BOTH >>>>>PROGRAMMES. IF SHREDDER AGREES TO ENTER THEN I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A >>>>>REPRESENTATIVE FROM MILLENIUM TO OVERSEA ITS OPERATION (OR SO I GATHER) >>>>> >>>>>IT IS CHURLISH TO CLAIM THAT PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHO ENRIQUE IS. HE IS ONE OF THE >>>>>MOST IMPARTIAL, AS WELL AS RESPECTED FIGURES IN COMP CHESS BESIDES BEING AN >>>>>EXPERT IN THE FIELD. HE HAS BEEN OPERATING THE CADAQUES FOR SEVERAL YRS >>>>>INCLUDING SHREDDER AND REBEL (BOTH OF WHICH NORMALLY DONT ALLOW THEIR GAMES TO >>>>>BE PUBLISHED.) >>>>> >>>>>WHO BETTER CAN YOU THINK OF TO RUN SUCH A SELECTION? >>>>> >>>>>RAJEN >>>> >>>> >>>>I think Enrique would be a great choice to run such a tournament, assuming >>>>that the authors themselves can not attend. But in this case, no such >>>>tournament is needed. The opponent for Kramnik is intuitively obvious to >>>>the most casual of observers... >>>> >>>>PS _please_ fix your capslock key. Shouting (SHOUTING) is considered poor >>>>manners. >>> >>>Regardless of the opinion of Shredder being the obvious opponent, >>>what do you do when you casn't reach terms with Shredder?. >>>You get another candidate but naturally still ask shredder if >>>it wants to participate. Naturally the reply is negative. >>> >>>Then to play a match you try to determine what other candidates >>>are available and you seek help from the SSDF...all seems ok to me. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >> >>First, what do you _really_ know about the "failed negotiations?" I don't >>know a thing. >> >>Second, the SSDF is _not_ the place to go to get a challenger. This is >>_clearly_ the place for the ICCA to be involved, since the ICCA is affiliated >>with FIDE and sanctions the two recognized computer chess titles. > >Perhaps Politics is involved? BGN is not part of FIDE right? Given the rival >World titles and all, perhaps that's why ICCA is not a good idea? > >Just curious, who are the "big guns" of ICCA? Do they post here? Very rarely. In the past, there were a few that would attack the ICCA if they even "smelled" ICCA.
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