Author: Chessfun
Date: 10:49:34 04/17/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 10:02:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 17, 2001 at 02:43:22, Aaron Tay wrote: > >>On April 17, 2001 at 02:03:54, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 17, 2001 at 00:19:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 23:08:29, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 22:46:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 19:58:14, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 15:52:33, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've been away from this forum for a while, is this whole thing a bad joke?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>WHY DO YOU THINK IT I A JOKE? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Otherwise it sounds like a completely ridiculous way to select an opponent for >>>>>>>>Kramnik. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>WHY IS HAVING A PLAY OFF BETWEEN THE LEADING CONTENDERS CONSIDERED A RIDICULOUS >>>>>>>WAY TO SELECT THE BEST PROGRAMME? WHAT OTHER WAY CAN YOU SUGGEST? PERHAPS BASED >>>>>>>ON WHOSE COVER LOOKS THE PRETTIEST? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Any chance you will get your capslock key fixed? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hehe >>>>>I have noticed he always does it when replying, but not making an original post. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do these guys really have the 'authority' to select an opponent for >>>>>>>>Kramnik? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>THE 'AUTHORITY' HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE ORGANISERS-IN THIS CASE THE BRAIN GAMES >>>>>>>NETWORK WHICH IS RAISING THE SPONSORSHIP NECESSARY FOR THIS MATCH.OBVIOUSLY THEY >>>>>>>MUST HAVE DISCUSSED WITH KRAMNIK HIS WILLINGNESS TO PLAY SUCH A MATCH BEFORE >>>>>>>COMMITTING THE RESOURCES TO ARRANGE SUCH A COSTLY VENTURE. >>>>>> >>>>>>Not really. the ICCA is _the_ sanctioning body for computer chess. If >>>>>>Kramnik wants to play the best computer chess program in the world, the ICCA >>>>>>should be the entity that provides that rating. Which it does in the form of >>>>>>two titles, either of which is presently held by Shredder. End of story. >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder is the WCCC and WMCCC title-holder. >>>>> >>>>>And what to do when you can't reach agreement with Shredder....look elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Will a match with Kramnik really take place? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD; UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORSEEN (EG WITHDRAWAL OF SPONSORSHIP >>>>>>>MONEY; SUDDEN CHANGE OF MIND BY KRAMNIK) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Isn't the ICCA involved >>>>>>>>at all? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>NO, SINCE THEY AREN'T SPONSORING THE MATCH. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>But they _are_ in charge of sanctioning computer chess. And they have a >>>>>>working relationship with FIDE. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The obvious selection to play Kramnik is Shredder, this is so clear that it is >>>>>>>>not funny. Shredder is the current World Computer Chess Champion, and has won >>>>>>>>the majority of important computer tournaments in recent years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>IF IT IS THAT CLEAR WHY NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MATCHED AGAINST DJ AND DF. SINCE IT >>>>>>>IS CLEARLY THE BEST IT WILL WIN ANYWAY AND GIVE US THE ADDED BENEFIT OF WATCHING >>>>>>>ANOTHER COMP VS COMP MATCH BESIDES SETTLING ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS THE >>>>>>>STRONGEST SMP PROGRAMME. >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder beat these programs a year ago in fact... >>>>> >>>>>How many games was that, that were played? >>>>>Im sure the number is going to be convincing. >>>>>And actually it won a tournament it didn't beat all individual programs. >>>>> >>>>>Sarah. >>>> >>>> >>>>Look at the WCCC crosstable. You will see shredder played _both_ and won >>>>both games. Two years worth of WMCCC and WCCC events was 21 games. I don't >>>>think it lost a _single_ game. >>> >>>The ssdf list is based on more games. >>>Shredder was never number 1 in this list. >>> >>>It is considered to be also an important tournament and I do not see a reason to >>>assume that the WMCCC or the WCCC are the only important tournaments. >>> >>>Uri >> >>I was wondering, will the match conditions against Kramnik be closer to that of >>SSDF conditions or WMCCC conditions? >> >>Shredder might not excel under SSDf conditions, but excels in WMCCC conditions[ >>I.e with operator tuning]. If the match against Krmanik is much like testing in >>SSDF, sure Shredder might not be the obvious best choice. >> >>But if it's closer to the WMCCC condition, perhaps Shredder has a bigger chance? > > >It would be _exactly_ like the WCCC/WMCCC events. Manual operation, only one >game per day, operator can adjust the book between rounds, etc. Sorry the use of the word _exactly_ is excessive. The author SMK will not be the operator. Plus you will be playing the same opponent everyday. And are you so certain adjustment to book will be allowed? Also in some of these WCCC/WMCCC events they play more than once per day. Don't seem to be it would be _exactly_ like either. Seems more like 50/50. Sarah.
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