Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 13:09:50 04/17/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 15:01:14, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 17, 2001 at 09:49:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 17, 2001 at 00:25:08, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 22:24:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 19:01:03, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>>>>to take part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Chris Taylor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>>>>the way to handle this. >>>>>> >>>>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>>>>xeon/900. >>>>>> >>>>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>By this reasonning, the program that must play against Kramnik is the WMCCC 2000 >>>>>SHREDDER ON A SINGLE CPU. Because this is the program which won the 2000 WMCCC. >>>>> >>>>>Allowing another version of the program or the hardware (in particular in the >>>>>number of processors) is allowing an unknown entity to take part to the match. >>>>>In this case, I do not see why other unknown entities would not be allowed to >>>>>take part as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't follow that twisted reasoning at all. IE if shredder won on a PIII/500, >>>>and can now use a PIII/1000, why should it not use that? It would _obviously_ >>>>be even stronger. Ditto for a multiple-cpu machine. >>>> >>>>The _program_ and _author_ earned the right to play this match. That program >>>>_should_ play. And it should use the fastest hardware platform it can use. >>>> >>>>As far as unknown entities, you had the chance to participate and become the >>>>world computer chess champion. You didn't compete. SMK did. I believe that >>>>gives him the right as silicon world champion to compete with the carbon >>>>world champion. You don't get to duck the tough events then try to cash in on >>>>the publicity in such a match later. SMK took the chance, won the WMCCC and >>>>WCCC events, and is the _obvious_ choice for any match. >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm not sure I understand what you mean. >>> >>>Do you mean that because I did not participate in the last WMCCC I have nothing >>>to claim? >>> >>>Chess Tiger took part in the 2000 WMCCC. It even finished 3rd... >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>I was talking about the "WCCC" where unlimited hardware is allowed. That is >>_the_ title to hold within the ICCA. The WMCCC title is not as respected since >>the hardware is limited there... >> >>This was the event where Bruce and SMK met to determine the champion. I don't >>remember where it was as I didn't attend either. > > > >It was in Paderborn in 1999 and I was there with Chess Tiger 11.9. > > > > Christophe Personnaly, I agree with both of you. There is no reason in my book that Tiger shouldn't play in this qualifier. BUT I also think, why on earth is there a qualifier? Though, one thing, I think the obvious choice is one that wouldnt happen: Deep Blue, since that sucker did beat Kaspy. JW
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