Author: Peter Berger
Date: 10:43:46 04/18/01
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On April 18, 2001 at 09:01:59, Paul Petersson wrote: >On April 18, 2001 at 00:30:01, Peter Berger wrote: > >>It boils down to a simple question : why don't they simply take Shredder 5 or >>Deep Shredder NOW , test it and post the results on their list now ? > >It's already on the list. All the testers know the rating of S5. The fact that >it's not on the official list is all because of one man and his actions and >behaviour towards the SSDF. > OK . That's partly good news ; so if the problems could be resolved you could add it without much effort . >> >>d.) SSDF rejected and said they only wanted to test Shredder if they could test >>any other program by Millenium , too . > >Ossi Weiner knew the exact conditions long before we started to play with S5. He >didn't agree and now it's to late. How can it be too late ? Shredder 5 too old now ? Well , you recently entered Hiarcs 7.01 on a K6/450 which isn't exactly new either . And now there is Deep Shredder which is brand new . Afaik yout kept Shredder's results completely secret , so it can't be the reason for Millenium's recent decisions . >>g.) Millenium offered to provide free copies for the testers to make up for the >>unclear invoice issue . >> > >There is NOTHING unclear about the invoice. His condition for paying it was that >he wanted the SSDF to withdraw all games played with the Fritz5 autoplayer and >only count manually played games. > >Paul Sorry : my choice of the word "unclear" was unfortunate . Thanks for adding the facts here as you see them . My choice of "unclear" simply referred to some counter claims Mr Weiner made ( they didn't sound too convincing anyway ). > OK , so now the list should look like this ( I do know there are still some minor things left out but as you didn't object to the rest no need to mention this webpage discussion ; anyway this as some other little things were resolved anyway afaik ): a.) SSDF was forbidden to test Shredder 4 b.) SSDF complained . c.) SSDF was allowed to test Shredder 5 d.) SSDF rejected and said they only wanted to test Shredder if they could test any other program by Millenium , too . e.) Millenium agreed to this but pointed out they can only make this statement for programs where they still hold the rights . f.) SSDF rejected to test Shredder 5 again and brought up the issue of an unpayed invoice of 500 DM of some years ago ( which never was mentioned before ) . g.) Millenium offered to provide free copies for the testers to make up for the invoice issue . In fact the things left out include that Millenium already allowed testing of Shredder 4 after some discussions btw so it's not all one-sided. I think it is great that the SSDF is an independent organization . So members shouldn't be too close friends with certain programmers or their companies . On the other hand this suggests SSDF shouldn't fight wars with other programmers nor their companies either if it can be avoided IMHO . I am not aware that SSDF ever had disagreements with Stefan Meyer-Kahlen . So it's kind of a war SSDF - Ossi Weiner . At christmas time this conflict was very near to be resolved - at least this was my impression when reading some messages - the place to discuss this subject ( the CSS forum ) was kind of unfortunate as several people jumped in with messages full of hatred which didn't exactly help - but it seemed both parties tried . The last thing that SSDF demanded was a public excuse by Mr Weiner - but as the SSDF members really didn't post and act like angels either I don't think this can be too serious a problem . In fact I was surprised when Millenium cleared their nasty SSDF article from their pages ;-) . This invoice discussion - come on !! If it's about the money - post a message here and ask for donations ; I think in 3 days you'll have the money donated by fans of your list and/or Shredder ! Who is this list for anyway ? The companies ? I don't think so . So it's probably us costumers ! Nobody demands that you all become big friends with Mr Weiner ... Greetings . pete
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