Author: Chessfun
Date: 15:45:56 04/18/01
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On April 17, 2001 at 16:02:53, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On April 17, 2001 at 14:42:44, Chessfun wrote: > >>On April 17, 2001 at 13:19:19, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On April 17, 2001 at 09:09:09, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>> >>>>On April 17, 2001 at 07:01:17, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 02:42:18, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 02:15:27, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 20:02:02, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 03:31:12, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 02:46:59, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 02:13:32, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 14:50:33, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 03:05:47, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Shredder tournament version won all the tournaments since 1999! No other >>>>>>>>>>>>>tournament version did the same. These are facts, the rest are words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Also you do not have our latest version. How can you know how strong is Deep >>>>>>>>>>>>>Shredder now? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandro Necchi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Sandro, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I have read Deep Blue has been invited too. What should happen if the DB >>>>>>>>>>>>people say yes and want to play Kramnik. Should we say: since DB has beaten >>>>>>>>>>>>Kasparov DB is the real and only candidate? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hi Ed, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>no, I think only commercial program version like our should be used. I think >>>>>>>>>>>your 2 programs (Rebel and Chess Tiger) should be included in the list too, but >>>>>>>>>>>I am not the one that decides. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sandro >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sandro, I thought your opinion was that Shredder was the only candidate?. >>>>>>>>>>The above would indicate otherwise. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>No, if only one program should match Kramnik this is Shredder because it is the >>>>>>>>>world champion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Then it must be the version of Shredder which played in the 2000 WMCCC, on the >>>>>>>>same hardware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sorry I do not agree. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Because a newer version on a different hardware (in particular on a >>>>>>>>multiprocessor computer) does NOT own any World title as far as I know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If you are mad because you did not win the Computer Chess World Championship is >>>>>>>not my fault. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>No, I'm not mad Sandro. :) >>>>> >>>>>Good to hear. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have won some tournaments with my program too, and I'm fine. :) >>>>> >>>>>I know. >>>>>> >>>>>>You know, there is so much randomness involved in short tournaments, they do not >>>>>>mean that much. >>>>> >>>>>Yes, but to me it means a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Since it is the only title recognized by ICCA, for me it is the most important >>>>>>>one. So the best version of that program with the fastest hardware should be >>>>>>>used. >>>>>>>This is my opionion. Sorry. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This is just your opinion. >>>>> >>>>>Not only mine. >>>>>> >>>>>>I think that the best program of today should be used. Not just a program that >>>>>>has won a short tournament last year and has been hiding away from the SSDF >>>>>>then. >>>>> >>>>>This is your opinion. Also which should be used: >>>>> >>>>>The best against other chess programs or the best against kramnik? >>>>>> >>>>>>The organizers of the tournament need the best program. I they fail to select >>>>>>the best, the general audience will learn about this, and the disappointement >>>>>>will be huge. >>>>> >>>>>No I think the audience want the world champion which is Shredder! >>>> >>>>Not in my opinion. I think the main body of customers here would prefer to see >>>>the current best program compete in the tournament, I would like to see a >>>>candidates tourny decide who plays. I will be very angry should it turn out that >>>>Shreddar be selected without having played against any sort of candidates match, >>>>even if it is only deeps Fritz, Junior. >>>> >>>>I have purchased most all of the chess programs, it is sort of a hobby to me. I >>>>am way to old to improve my chess (72), I just enjoy watching the lil buggers go >>>>at it. SSDF to me is the ultimate measure of comp chess playing strength. I >>>>trust them. >>>>Shreader is the only program I have not purchased and do not plan to purchase. >>>>Why ?. Because of the suspicious marketing driven behavior of avoiding to >>>>compete in the most important yardstick for measuring computer chess strength, >>>>the SSDF. >>>> >>>>I would be very comfortable should Shreader come out the winner of a candidates >>>>tournament and represent the digital lil buggers. >>>>That is my thought, only one voice, but it is mine >>>> >>>>Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Their money is not well invested if they do not make sure that the best program >>>>>>plays. >>>>>> >>>>>>If Shredder is really the best, why did Weiner refuse to let the SSDF publish >>>>>>its the results, and why did Weiner withdraw from the event when it learned that >>>>>>Shredder would have to qualify against Deep Fritz and Deep Junior? >>> >>>We are the World Champion until the ICCA new tournament will be held and another >>>program win the title. >>>If we do not recognize such a title and event there is no reason to make such >>>event anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>>Sandro Necchi >> >> >>Yes the more exclaimation marks the better. >>That so clearly portrays your right? no? > >Sarah, > >the point is that they have not been able to bit us. All the rest are simply >excuses!!! I have seen no excuses. Just people putting forward their points of view. >I put a lot of exclamation marks because you like them! Yea they are cool. I saw another post of yours with quite a few, it really does hammer home your point :-) Sarah. >>Sarah. > >Ciao >Sandro
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