Author: Chessfun
Date: 06:27:29 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 01:01:39, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On April 18, 2001 at 18:45:56, Chessfun wrote: > >>On April 17, 2001 at 16:02:53, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On April 17, 2001 at 14:42:44, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:19:19, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 09:09:09, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 07:01:17, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 02:42:18, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 02:15:27, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 20:02:02, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 03:31:12, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 02:46:59, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 02:13:32, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 14:50:33, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 03:05:47, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shredder tournament version won all the tournaments since 1999! No other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tournament version did the same. These are facts, the rest are words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also you do not have our latest version. How can you know how strong is Deep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shredder now? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandro Necchi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Sandro, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have read Deep Blue has been invited too. What should happen if the DB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>people say yes and want to play Kramnik. Should we say: since DB has beaten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kasparov DB is the real and only candidate? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Ed, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>no, I think only commercial program version like our should be used. I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>your 2 programs (Rebel and Chess Tiger) should be included in the list too, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not the one that decides. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandro >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sandro, I thought your opinion was that Shredder was the only candidate?. >>>>>>>>>>>>The above would indicate otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>No, if only one program should match Kramnik this is Shredder because it is the >>>>>>>>>>>world champion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Then it must be the version of Shredder which played in the 2000 WMCCC, on the >>>>>>>>>>same hardware. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Sorry I do not agree. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Because a newer version on a different hardware (in particular on a >>>>>>>>>>multiprocessor computer) does NOT own any World title as far as I know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If you are mad because you did not win the Computer Chess World Championship is >>>>>>>>>not my fault. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No, I'm not mad Sandro. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Good to hear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have won some tournaments with my program too, and I'm fine. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You know, there is so much randomness involved in short tournaments, they do not >>>>>>>>mean that much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes, but to me it means a lot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Since it is the only title recognized by ICCA, for me it is the most important >>>>>>>>>one. So the best version of that program with the fastest hardware should be >>>>>>>>>used. >>>>>>>>>This is my opionion. Sorry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is just your opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not only mine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think that the best program of today should be used. Not just a program that >>>>>>>>has won a short tournament last year and has been hiding away from the SSDF >>>>>>>>then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is your opinion. Also which should be used: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The best against other chess programs or the best against kramnik? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The organizers of the tournament need the best program. I they fail to select >>>>>>>>the best, the general audience will learn about this, and the disappointement >>>>>>>>will be huge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No I think the audience want the world champion which is Shredder! >>>>>> >>>>>>Not in my opinion. I think the main body of customers here would prefer to see >>>>>>the current best program compete in the tournament, I would like to see a >>>>>>candidates tourny decide who plays. I will be very angry should it turn out that >>>>>>Shreddar be selected without having played against any sort of candidates match, >>>>>>even if it is only deeps Fritz, Junior. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have purchased most all of the chess programs, it is sort of a hobby to me. I >>>>>>am way to old to improve my chess (72), I just enjoy watching the lil buggers go >>>>>>at it. SSDF to me is the ultimate measure of comp chess playing strength. I >>>>>>trust them. >>>>>>Shreader is the only program I have not purchased and do not plan to purchase. >>>>>>Why ?. Because of the suspicious marketing driven behavior of avoiding to >>>>>>compete in the most important yardstick for measuring computer chess strength, >>>>>>the SSDF. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would be very comfortable should Shreader come out the winner of a candidates >>>>>>tournament and represent the digital lil buggers. >>>>>>That is my thought, only one voice, but it is mine >>>>>> >>>>>>Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Their money is not well invested if they do not make sure that the best program >>>>>>>>plays. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If Shredder is really the best, why did Weiner refuse to let the SSDF publish >>>>>>>>its the results, and why did Weiner withdraw from the event when it learned that >>>>>>>>Shredder would have to qualify against Deep Fritz and Deep Junior? >>>>> >>>>>We are the World Champion until the ICCA new tournament will be held and another >>>>>program win the title. >>>>>If we do not recognize such a title and event there is no reason to make such >>>>>event anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>>Sandro Necchi >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes the more exclaimation marks the better. >>>>That so clearly portrays your right? no? >>> >>>Sarah, >>> >>>the point is that they have not been able to bit us. All the rest are simply >>>excuses!!! >> >>I have seen no excuses. Just people putting forward their points of view. > >my point of view is simple: > >It is not sure that kramnik it the strongest chess player, but he is the World >Champion having defeated Kasparov. > >it is not sure Shredder is the strongest chess program today, but it is the >World Champion. > >So the 2 world champion should play each other. Wasn't that what they started negotiating in December 2000.? Then you tell me why these negotiations didn't reach a match? >If we need to find out which program is the strongest than it must play against >the strongest chess player (Fide rating No. 1) Any program playing Kasparov is fine with me. As is Shirov or some other top human. >Does this make sense or not? As a point of view sure. But as I said anyone is entitled one. Sarah.
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