Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 11:22:16 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 13:45:58, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 19, 2001 at 11:45:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 19, 2001 at 05:22:46, Bertil Eklund wrote: >> >>>On April 18, 2001 at 20:26:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 18, 2001 at 18:11:28, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 15:12:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:54:59, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:40:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 10:25:33, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 09:57:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Supposed _I_ set up a tournament to choose the program to play? And then >>>>>>>>>>suppose _I_ said "if you want in, send me $50,000 to enter your program."?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Would you enter even if you _knew_ Rebel xx was the best in the world? And >>>>>>>>>>risk that kind of money to get in knowing that one game can be lost due to a >>>>>>>>>>bad book line or bug? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Charging an entry fee is a bit of a joke, IMHO. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It means the deeper your pockets, the better your chances... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Well, at least there's a refund for those that don't make it :-). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Seriously, can anyone blaim SMK for not handing over $5000 and Shredder to a >>>>>>>>>third party for this socalled qualifier? I think not. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Mogens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Let's try a different approach. Let _me_ handle the qualification tournament. >>>>>>>>Here are my rules: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Making posts as above "is a bit of a joke, IMHO" since you clearly hadn't >>>>>>>even bothered reading the current rules well enough to know the $5,000.00 >>>>>>>was refunded to losing programs. >>>>>> >>>>>>What makes you conclude that? I can read perfectly well. But I would not >>>>>>send $5,000.00 in no matter what, because I try to spend my money more wisely >>>>>>than that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You wrote "risk that kind of money" as in if the program lost the money >>>>>was forfeit. That wasn't the case as already posted by Bertil. >>>>>No you change that to sending the money in.. >>>> >>>>Do you get it back under _any_ circumstance? No. So you pay it and take >>>>a chance on getting it back. That is the classic definition of "risk" in >>>>my Webster's... Since there is a circumstance where I won't get it back. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Any publicly released chess program can enter. Including patches. So Rebel >>>>>>>>could enter 2 programs since Ed has (I think) released the original rebel plus >>>>>>>>a patch this year. I get to enter all 19 released versions of Crafty. If those >>>>>>>>are the only two entries, care to bet who is going to win? Statistically one >>>>>>>>of my 19 versions will win even if all are worse than either of Ed's two >>>>>>>>versions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is what has happened if you include Deep Shredder, Deep Fritz, and Deep >>>>>>>>Junior. A trivia question: Which chess distributor has the best chance of >>>>>>>>winning that event? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is called "stacking the deck in your favor." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hogwash. Tell that to Amir Ban. In your case above tell me that Amir >>>>>>>wouldn't want to win as much as Stefan and that his odds of doing so >>>>>>>are greater due to your "stacking the deck in your favor." theory. >>>>>> >>>>>>No. But the "distributor" certainly has a big interest in having one of >>>>>>"Its" engines as the competitor. So it is not "hogwash" at all. It is >>>>>>plain marketing, front-to-back... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The distributor does yes. But how does the distributor stck the deck >>>>>when the choices are made by two independant people? >>>> >>>>By having _two_ of his programs in the contest to _one_ from the opponents... >>>> >>>>Two programs have a greater probability of winning than one. >>>> >>>>IE we simply play 'high card wins'. But I get two cards each time and you >>>>get one. Who wins the most? >>> >>>Hi! >>> >>>And you are sure that Chessbase is the distributor of Junior7 (X)? >>> >>>Bertil >> >>Probably. They do not have their own interface so they have little >>chance of selling otherwise. >> >>I do not know what Weiner offers but i do not even want to know it, >>it's going to be very little probably. >> >>What chessbase offers is a peanut of course. You can only get great programs >>when programmers can fulltime work at it. Programmers earn when >>working in a company around 50k$ to 100k$ if living in USA >>a year if they're good. To make a chess >>program strong you are a good programmer anyway, very little people can >>make a chessprogram anyway. >> >>When Friedel talked about diep as engine under chessbase (that's >>quite some time ago so i do not know whether they pay more nowadays, >>but as far as i heart not a penny more) he was talking about 5000 or 10000 >>dmark, about 4000 us$ today (dollar is high now). >> >>Considering the thousands of hours work that are put in an engine on >>average, that's like 1 us$ an hour. > >1$ for hour is better than nothing. >Most programmers earn 0$ per hour so they do not develop chess programs in order >to earn money. > >If they can earn money it is only a bonus. > >Uri >> >>So from that i can't even internet as i pay a dollar an hour for >>internet already. >> >>I'm not sure how many countries there are on this world where a >>programmer earns 1us$ an hour. Add to that that the sales of an engine >>are probably (my own estimate) like 1/100 of what fritz sells >>as it's so easy to copy a few unprotected .dll and .eng files > >The main reason for the fact that the sales of Fritz are bigger than sales of >other programs like Nimzo is simply the fact that Fritz is better. > >I do not believe that 99% of the potential buyers of programs copy them. > >Uri Hi! I believe it has a lot to do with the database options. Bertil
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