Author: Tanya Deborah
Date: 14:03:58 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 10:31:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 19, 2001 at 06:04:11, Graham Laight wrote: > >>On April 18, 2001 at 11:08:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 18, 2001 at 06:55:31, Tanya Deborah wrote: >>> >>>>On April 18, 2001 at 02:15:00, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 16:59:20, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>First of all these are the CONDITIONS for the match vs Kramnik. >>>>>>Use of a SMP-macine with 8cpus. POINT >>>>>> >>>>>>I was asked to recommend the STRONGEST programs for a qualifying tournament. >>>>>>The qualifyer should be used to pick the BEST program and not the "luckiest". >>>>>>Therefore it should be played in longer matches. Again and I repeat in order to >>>>>>minimize the randomness it shouldn't be played in a short tournament in a few >>>>>>rounds. >>>>>> >>>>>>The above means that only a few programs can take part in the challenge. >>>>>>What is the strongest programs of today? In my opinion, if I pick the 5-6 best >>>>>>programs (one cpu), it can only be the following Deep-Fritz, Deep-Shredder, >>>>>>Deep-Junior, Fritz6 and Tiger/Gambit. >>>>>> >>>>>>Then I checked the CONDITIONS again, and what is left only the Deeps of Fritz, >>>>>>Shredder and Junior. Fritz6 was a bit old anyway, so I skipped it but I really >>>>>>was sorry that (after that I had seen that mr Theron wasn't planning any >>>>>>SMP-version in the near future) I couldn't recommend the program(s) that may be >>>>>>the strongest of all in a single-cpu event. >>>>>> >>>>>>No there wasn't any ifs included in the stated CONDITIONS. >>>>>>No Swiss-tournament in a few rounds against a bunch of GMs. >>>>>> >>>>>>IF noone else hasn't noticed it yet, nowadays the most used word in this Forum >>>>>>is IF. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have almost seen as many suggestions as there are members in this fora. >>>>>>Almost anyone seems to be absolutely sure what to do and how to do. >>>>>> >>>>>>I only want to remind again that this is a commercial event. Meaning that there >>>>>>is a time-schedule. There are rules to be followed and contracts to be signed. >>>>>>I also find it quite logical that the organizer of the event want the strongest >>>>>>possible program to play against Kramnik. The cost of the event is a seven >>>>>>digit-number in USD. >>>>>> >>>>>>At last before everyone starts the shouting and shouting: >>>>>> >>>>>>I accepted the offer as a consultant, "chess-computer expert" for what it is >>>>>>worth, because I really liked the idea of a match between the best program on a >>>>>>8cpu-machine. >>>>>> >>>>>>I haven't received a single cent for this, no the entry-fee wasn't supposed for >>>>>>mr Irazoqui or my pockets (mr Czub as usual). I was offered a trip to the event >>>>>>but if it can make someone happier I stay at home and prepare the computer for >>>>>>the next SSDF hardware-level. Hopefully mr Theron can have some kind of revenge >>>>>>if Tiger(s) tops the next list on the new hardware. >>>>>> >>>>>>Bertil >>>>> >>>>>Just curious, why did you not include Crafty. On 8 cpu's I would not like to bet >>>>>my money against it. Look at it's human record/experience. >>>>>Thanks >>>>>Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>>I agreed with Wayne! Why did you not include Crafty???? >>>> >>>>Crafty will be a REAL POWER MONSTER on 8 cpu´s , and like Wayne said: IT HAVE A >>>>VERY SPECIAL HUMAN RECORD/EXPERIENCE. Crafty is a very dangerous challenger for >>>>this competition. >>>>Tanya. >>> >>> >>>If I were going to play this match, I would not even _start_ with 8 cpus. >>>Maybe 4x that or more. :) >> >>Given that the rightful program (Shredder) is not now playing, I suggest you >>build the beast. >> >>If you've got the time, building it and demonstrating its efficacy at ICC might >>enable us to create sufficient pressure on the organisers to allow you to put it >>forward as a candidate. >> >>-g > > >I wouldn't even think about it for several reasons: > >1. The match conditions are not simply bad, they are _stupid_. > >2. Shredder should be playing. It is the current WCCC and WMCCC titleholder. > >Holding a match to choose a challenger is an insult to SMK and Shredder. And >I'm not personally interesting in perpetuating that insult further. Just sit >back and watch to see who shows the "greed" and who shows the "class" in this >process. :) Hi Bob. It is not an insult! SMK doesnt want to play, it was his decision. It is a real pity but i understand that the rules are completely inaceptable. Also, I am sure, that he would not matter that you take part on this. We need very experienced people like you :-) Tanya Deborah.
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