Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 14:14:06 04/19/01
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This Brain Games qualifying tournament is a terrible fiasco. If I may speculate, what I believe is going on is that Brain Games wants to present this as a match between world champions, but the Brain Games guy absolutely doesn't get along with David Levy, so it's not like he could do this in conjunction with the ICCA, so he must call some program the world champion. The problem is that we have a world championship sanctiong body, the ICCA, the we have all agreed to their rules for selecting a champion, including the Fritz team and the Junior team, and we selected one, and it was neither Fritz nor Junior. Shredder won, and we should give him his due, ESPECIALLY the programmers, and support him as our representative until after the next WCCC. I wouldn't care if Brain Games just said, "We'll pick some program to play in our match, by whatever means we choose." But they go over the line when they attempt to call this program they pick a "champion". We already have one of those, and we don't need another. The right thing to do in this case is to allow Stefan the right of first refusal. If a champion is needed, he should be our consensus pick. If Stefan is not allowed the opportunity to represent us as champion, everyone should be able to figure out what to think of those who would usurp his rightly-won title. Bruce Moreland On April 18, 2001 at 11:43:01, Amir Ban wrote: >On April 18, 2001 at 06:11:04, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >> >> >>A lot of discussion is going on about the planned Kramnik machine match and I >>think it is necessary to give you my point of view about the whole issue. I >>refused to play in this event for various reasons which I will sum up below: >> >>· The final version of the program playing against Kramnik must be made >>available to Kramnik end of July already. This makes an match with equal chances >>impossible as it will be very easy for Mr. Kramnik to prepare and win a match >>against any program under this circumstances. I would even say that it is >>possible for human players of my strength to win a match against any program >>with this conditions. >> >>· For a computer to play the match against Kramnik he must win a qualifier >>against some other chess programs. This qualification tournament will be called >>the BGN computer world chess championships and the winner will be called the BGN >>computer chess world champion. I see no reasons to have another computer chess >>world championship and another computer chess world champion besides the ICCA >>tournaments and the ICCA champion so I will not play there. >> >>· The first time I have heard about this qualification tournament was two weeks >>before the scheduled start of this event. >> >>· The event will be played with the autoplayer and without any representative of >>the programs on site. >> >>· The starting fee for each program will be $5000. >> >>· The prize fund in the human machine match will be divided quite uneven in the >>case that Kramnik or the computer will win. In this respect the whole issue >>seems to me like an event only for Kramnik and the organizers to make big money, >>not to play a real match against a computer. >> >>· There are many more points like a clause that all the micro Deeps can be >>kicked out anytime when IBM decides to join or severe restrictions in the >>marketing of this event, but I think those given above should be sufficient to >>understand my point of view. >> >>So I have various reasons not to join this thing, each of those being enough not >>to join. I hope that all the speculations, wild guesses and accusations >>concerning my withdrawal will end, particularly of those guys who even haven’t >>seen the contract, including one of my colleagues here. >> >>Stefan Meyer-Kahlen, author of Shredder. > >We all got the same draft agreement at the same time, and more or less saw the >same problems in the terms (I think I saw some you missed), but, instead of >sending an angry "I'm out!" letter like Ossi Weiner, we negotiated. We talked to >the organizers. We told them what we cannot accept, and they told us their >constraints, and we reached terms that we can live with. They address your >objections, which as I said were similar to ours, and I think the revised terms >were even posted here by Bertil. > >When two sides want something to happen and are prepared to discuss, things have >a way of working out. Heading for the nearest exit always leaves you out. > >Amir
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