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Subject: Re: Support 4 single chip chess v Kramnik

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:59:32 04/19/01

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On April 19, 2001 at 05:22:46, Bertil Eklund wrote:

>On April 18, 2001 at 20:26:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 18, 2001 at 18:11:28, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On April 17, 2001 at 15:12:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:54:59, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 13:40:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 10:25:33, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 09:57:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Supposed _I_ set up a tournament to choose the program to play?  And then
>>>>>>>>suppose _I_ said "if you want in, send me $50,000 to enter your program."??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Would you enter even if you _knew_ Rebel xx was the best in the world?  And
>>>>>>>>risk that kind of money to get in knowing that one game can be lost due to a
>>>>>>>>bad book line or bug?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Charging an entry fee is a bit of a joke, IMHO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It means the deeper your pockets, the better your chances...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, at least there's a refund for those that don't make it :-).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Seriously, can anyone blaim SMK for not handing over $5000 and Shredder to a
>>>>>>>third party for this socalled qualifier? I think not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mogens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's try a different approach.  Let _me_ handle the qualification tournament.
>>>>>>Here are my rules:
>>>>>
>>>>>Making posts as above "is a bit of a joke, IMHO" since you clearly hadn't
>>>>>even bothered reading the current rules well enough to know the $5,000.00
>>>>>was refunded to losing programs.
>>>>
>>>>What makes you conclude that?  I can read perfectly well.  But I would not
>>>>send $5,000.00 in no matter what, because I try to spend my money more wisely
>>>>than that.
>>>
>>>
>>>You wrote "risk that kind of money" as in if the program lost the money
>>>was forfeit. That wasn't the case as already posted by Bertil.
>>>No you change that to sending the money in..
>>
>>Do you get it back under _any_ circumstance?  No.  So you pay it and take
>>a chance on getting it back.   That is the classic definition of "risk" in
>>my Webster's...  Since there is a circumstance where I won't get it back.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Any publicly released chess program can enter.  Including patches.  So Rebel
>>>>>>could enter 2 programs since Ed has (I think) released the original rebel plus
>>>>>>a patch this year.  I get to enter all 19 released versions of Crafty.  If those
>>>>>>are the only two entries, care to bet who is going to win?  Statistically one
>>>>>>of my 19 versions will win even if all are worse than either of Ed's two
>>>>>>versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is what has happened if you include Deep Shredder, Deep Fritz, and Deep
>>>>>>Junior.  A trivia question:  Which chess distributor has the best chance of
>>>>>>winning that event?  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is called "stacking the deck in your favor."
>>>>>
>>>>>Hogwash. Tell that to Amir Ban. In your case above tell me that Amir
>>>>>wouldn't want to win as much as Stefan and that his odds of doing so
>>>>>are greater due to your "stacking the deck in your favor." theory.
>>>>
>>>>No.  But the "distributor" certainly has a big interest in having one of
>>>>"Its" engines as the competitor.  So it is not "hogwash" at all.  It is
>>>>plain marketing, front-to-back...
>>>
>>>
>>>The distributor does yes. But how does the distributor stck the deck
>>>when the choices are made by two independant people?
>>
>>By having _two_ of his programs in the contest to _one_ from the opponents...
>>
>>Two programs have a greater probability of winning than one.
>>
>>IE we simply play 'high card wins'.  But I get two cards each time and you
>>get one.  Who wins the most?
>
>Hi!
>
>And you are sure that Chessbase is the distributor of Junior7 (X)?
>
>Bertil


I'm not sure of  _anything_ nowadays.  But since they distributed all previous
versions, I would suspect so, yes.



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