Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 05:01:38 04/04/98
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>Stop *cheating* yourself Thorsten! > >Please confirm: > >1. I have sent you the games in question already a long time ago. Pah - whatever you sent to me was always PRO fritz. All you results were always BRIGHT for Fritz and DARK for the opponent, no matter WHO the opponent was. I do not believe this kind of black/white scenario. >2. Many of those games contained both Fritz annotations (time, depth, >eval) and Chess System Tal logfiles (search profile etc.) > I don't know which version you refere or which program. I refer to the released commercial CSTal version on CD. Anybody can buy it. It has an autoplayer-232 connection and no cheating ChessBase autoplayer. I will not accept data that was produced with the chessBase autoplayer. Those data is manipulated. Point. If you have data NOT produces with the CHessBase autoplayer, I have nothing against it. >3. You accuse me of not sending you all the games I have (i.e. keeping >Fritz losses for myself and presenting you only wins and draws). You >implicitly call me a liar and cheater. Please confirm if this is indeed >the fact. Your reasoning leaves no other possibility, since the >individual games you received can all be verified down to the very last >move. I do accuse you the same thing you accuse me whenever I post something. If there is a competition of measuring insults of this case your side would not have cleaner hands than I have. >4. No independent tester with a Fritz autoplayer (e.g. Enrique, myself, >several SSDF guys) has produced bad results for Fritz. So are they all >cheating? Right. The autoplayer cheats. The people involved have nothing to do with the cheating. They are only OWNERS of machines. THEY do not produce the data, they are only OWNERS of machines. You try to suggest that I call Enrique or you cheaters. In fact I do call ChessBase and their autoplayer the main problem. If you want to show something use the Chrilly Donninger auto232-device. In the moment you use the ChessBase autoplayer you cheat. Do you get this right ?! >5. Several people have had good results with Fritz on e.g. ICC. No >autoplayer involved. Do these guys also "cheat"? Probably you will claim >this next second. Pah - Which time control. How many games. Opponents ? "Some" and "several" "somwhere" against "someone" can always win. >6. Please describe why the Nunn test suite (which supports the SSDF >results) is a cheat. Do you call GM Dr. John Nunn also a cheater? In >which way would the Nunn positions favour Fritz? Please clarify. You are very funny Moritz. The positions are selected by John Nunn. He is a friend of Frederic Friedel. Nobody knows if John Nunn was paid for his articles in Computer Schach and Spiele. He is a writer for Computer Schach and Spiele. He will present data that is PRO their ideals. They misuse him as a kind of scientifical proof to show that fritz is strong. In fact this shows that they again MISUSE naive people like him for their purposes. They could invent GOD proofing Fritz is the best and I would also not believe it. God would be Frederics best friend, of course. >7. Please name other persons beside yourself who have ever had "bad" >results with Fritz 5. Complete game scores with eval, depth etc. >preferred (the SSDF offers you no less, at least). > >Moritz We will present the games when we have enough (= significant) data. So far we only present opinions and discuss. But we will not allow you to post lies just because you have produced them with a special device that comes from ChessBase. Is this clear ? You are not nessesary to produce ChessBase autoplayer games. It is a tool. And this tool seems to manipulate. If you call me attacking YOU because YOU believe in this tool and in Fritz, this is a show YOU put on, not me.
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