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Subject: Re: Some results at fixed depth between Deep fritz and Tiger14

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 06:59:41 04/22/01

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On April 22, 2001 at 09:50:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On April 22, 2001 at 06:51:30, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 22, 2001 at 06:05:26, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On April 22, 2001 at 04:37:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>These results is from the nunn match(both programs used 64 mbytes hash and most
>>>>of the tablebases)
>>>>
>>>>Tiger14(depth 3)-Deep Fritz(depth 3) 16.5-3.5
>>>>Tiger14(depth 4)-Deep Fritz(depth 4) 7.5-12.5
>>>>Tiger14(depth 5)-Deep Fritz(depth 5) 13-7
>>>>Tiger14(depth 6)-Deep Fritz(depth 6) 14-6
>>>>Tiger14(depth 7)-Deep Fritz(depth 7) 13.5-6.5
>>>>Tiger14(depth 8)-Deep Fritz(depth 8) 10.5-9.5
>>>>Tiger14(depth 9)-Deep Fritz(depth 9) 14-6
>>>>Tiger14(depth 10)-Deep Fritz(depth 10) 9.5-10.5
>>>>
>>>>Tiger14(depth 4)-Deep Fritz(depth 3) 17.5-2.5
>>>>Tiger14(depth 5)-Deep Fritz(depth 4) 19-1
>>>>Tiger14(depth 6)-Deep Fritz(depth 5) 18-2
>>>>
>>>>Tiger14(depth 3)-Deep Fritz(depth 4) 6-14
>>>>
>>>>Tiger14(depth 4)-Deep Fritz(depth 5) 8-12(this result should be 12.5-7.5 but
>>>>deep fritz failed to mate because of having only part of the tablebases and the
>>>>engines agreed to a draw in a position that the evaluation was mate against
>>>>tiger).
>>>>
>>>>Tiger14(depth 5)-Deep Fritz(depth 6) 7-13
>>>>
>>>>We need more games to get rating for programs at fixed depth.
>>>>It will be interesting to get a nunn rating listfor chess programs at fixed
>>>>depth in order to find out if there is diminishing return in the nunn match.
>>>>
>>>>In the game that Deep fritz drew because of not having the right tablebases Deep
>>>>Fritz has a position of king and 2 pawns for king and a bishop.
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz had the KPP vs KB and also the KNP vs KB tablebases but had not the
>>>>KQP vs KB tablebases so it promoted the pawn to a knight.
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz did not promote the second pawn to a queen or a rook because of not
>>>>having the KQB vs KN or the KRB vs KN tablebases.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Why don't you play three games both at depth 21 and post the games, here at the
>>>CCC. I am just curious to see Deep Fritz analysis at that depth.
>>>
>>>Pichard.
>>
>>I believe that a game at depth 21 may take many years.
>>
>>There are positions when 24 hours are enough only for depth 17 and assuming
>>branching factor of 3 you need 81 days for depth 21.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Uri, it could be that certain programs DO_NOT reach depth 22 as easy as Gambit
>Tiger II, but if you observed carefully at the analysis of Gambit Tiger II, in
>certain position GT II was able to reach depth 22 only after  08 hours, whereas,
>in other position you are correct to say that it will never reach more than depth
>22, even if you let it for over 24 hours. Such as in this position:
>http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm I left deep Fritz analysis on for 9 hours
>in my computer an AMD Athlon 800 MHZ, and it only reached a depth 20, but Gambit
>Tiger II reached depth 22 after only 8 hours of analysis.
>
>
>TIME                    SCORE              DEPTH
>
>
>08:01:15.3              0.24                 22             73065026000
>Nd2 Na5 Rfc1 Rxc3 Nxc3 Rc8 Ba6 Ra8 Be2 Rc8 e4 Nc6 Be3 dxe4 g5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ba6
>

PS: I am curious to see how many hour does it take to reach depth 22 using Deep
fritz and different processor's speed on this position:

http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm

>Pichard.



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