Author: Robert Raese
Date: 00:47:33 04/23/01
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On April 22, 2001 at 05:28:18, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On April 21, 2001 at 16:25:54, Duncan Stanley wrote: > >>Sure. The could-have-been-invited list is a long one. > >>Consistency with SMP and/or strong would include Tiger, Ferret, Crafty and some >>others. > >right. > >>I suppose you have to ask what have Weiner and Friedel got that Schroeder >>hasn't. Then that Moreland and Hyatt haven't. > >right. i would say they have INTERESTS to make sure these concurrent >people are out of the contest. > >>Weiner and Friedel appararently have credibility in the computer chess >>establishment, whereas Schroeder, Hyatt and Moreland are deemed irrelevant. > >naja. i would say different. they made it look that they have credibility, >but its how the things look alike. in fact the way how things look >is not the way how things are. > > >>How else can you explain the Enrique 'extended last-minute offer' to Weiner, the >>Enrique 'go away, not enough time' to Schroeder and the Enrique 'I don't even >>have time to waste on you' to Hyatt/Moreland + others. > >it seems enrique has some ORDER :-)) > >>Some are more equal than others. > >:-)) > >>The business guys are well into the matters of organising these seven figure sum >>bean-fests, the other guys are just fodder. > >hm. > >>If you think about it, the business guys can't even program a PC, and they are >>allegedly extremely poor at chess as well. The programmers all allowed >>themselves to be stitched up by an organised establishment that really couldn't >>give a proverbial shit about them. The programmers are pawns. > > >i use another P-word for it :-)) > > >>They think they >>are important, they gabble around on the news groups, but, in reality, they are >>nothing but fodder who spend so much time fighting each other, that they are >>just too easy to exploit. > >right. they get exploited. by the other P-word. > > >>Oh, another thing, the programmers have 'friends', but >>these have a tendency to dump them in exchange for $5000 or the odd 15 minutes >>of fame. > >:-))) > > >>Those programmers do anything to win, but they are the big losers. Strange. > >right. they lose because they don't care about quality. >you can win and win and win and win, and it leads to a loss. >and you don't care about winning, concentrate on quality, and it leads to a win. > >the programmers are in the trap of quality/quantity. > >they try to be materialists, when in fact only spirit is their chance out >of the dilemma. now it is an issue of "spirit" vs. "matter"? LOL thorsten you are a philosopher for sure.... but how about "personal interest" vs. "community interest" instead? and where is the dilemma in that? we all have this decision in our everyday lives: "doing X would be best for me, but what effect on others?" (...assuming of course that one has concern for others... lol ) so the programmers have worked years and years to create something and now they are getting the shaft, they are not even getting their chance to shine... of course they are right to be pissed off. no one can say that what is happening is fair OR _reality-based_ except the spin doctors for the money backing the event. in THIS forum nobody is fooled. every day there are less and less illusions about what is happening, so it seems to me that as reality is not being respected, and as fairness is not being respected... and the results of this unreal unfair competition will be trumpeted to the masses... does it really matter? or is it like the end of hemingway's story, "the old man and the sea"... when the tourists ask the waiter "what that is on the beach?" and he tries to explain it is the skeleton of a great fish that was eaten by sharks... but they don't know his language, and they say "ahhh... a shark." - ??? the whole battle of the old man against the sharks trying to bring this fish home is made moot in one blink of an eye... but ONLY if the illusion matters more than the old man's struggle... so does it? does the fact that NOT the best machine will play kramnik, and the public will believe a lie REALLY matter? as i said, there are less and less illusions every day... do those 15 minutes of fame really matter more than the respect of those WHO UNDERSTAND? "a house divided...."
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