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Subject: Re: The Progress of an Idea: first CSTAL, then Gambit Tiger, now DJ...

Author: Jeroen van Dorp

Date: 14:38:40 04/25/01

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On April 25, 2001 at 14:46:14, Dann Corbit wrote:

>Positional evaluation terms are included in all the good chess engines.  I think
>that Shredder is very good at it.


I received Shredder 5 recently and was impressed at the growth in strenght and
insight. I picked up this piece from the newspaper (no fixed solution, but just
"white wins") and tried to solve it.

[D]5q2/n2P1k2/2b5/8/8/3N4/4BK2/6Q1 w - - 0 1

Personally I came no further than 1. Ke1, so I tried my chess engines, amongst
them Shredder 4.
They all pondered on Ke1 also for some time, then switched to Bh5+ with a
relatively low evaluation. Shredder 4 was the only one considering Qg5. I
couldn't find a real winning combination.

Here's Shredder 4's output for a arbitrary two minutes

6 ->   0:01.89  +1.70   1.Ke1 Bxd7 2.Qxa7 Qd6 3.Qf2+ Ke6 4.Qa7 (381.720) 201.0
 7.01   0:02.43  +1.45-- 1.Ke1 Bxd7 2.Bh5+ Kf6 3.Qd4+ Kg5 4.Qe3+ Kxh5 5.Qe2+ Kg5
6.Qh5+ Kxh5 7.Nf4+ Qxf4 (484.618) 198.6
 7.01   0:02.55  +1.45   1.Ke1 Bxd7 2.Bh5+ Kf6 3.Qd4+ Kf5 4.Qxd7+ Kg5 5.Qxa7
Qb4+ 6.Nxb4 (508.732) 199.1
 7.03   0:05.18  +1.46++ 1.Bh5+ Ke7+ 2.Ke1 Qh6 3.Qc5+ Kxd7 4.Qxa7+ Bb7 5.Qxb7+
Kd6 6.Bg4 Qc1+ 7.Nxc1 (976.119) 188.2
 7.03   0:06.12  +1.80   1.Bh5+ Ke7+ 2.Ke1 Qf6 3.Qc5+ Kxd7 4.Qxa7+ Kd6 5.Qc5+
Kc7 6.Qa5+ Kd6 7.Qd2 (1.130.258) 184.5
 7 ->   0:07.63  +1.80   1.Bh5+ Ke7+ 2.Ke1 Qf6 3.Qc5+ Kxd7 4.Qxa7+ Kd6 5.Qc5+
Kc7 6.Qa5+ Kd6 7.Qd2 (1.404.855) 184.0
 8.01   0:13.49  +1.80   1.Bh5+ Ke7+ 2.Ke1 Qh6 3.Qc5+ Kxd7 4.Qxa7+ Kd6 5.Qb8+
Ke7 6.Qc7+ Bd7 7.Qc5+ Kd8 8.Kf2 (2.208.854) 163.6
 8 ->   0:22.97  +1.80   1.Bh5+ Ke7+ 2.Ke1 Qh6 3.Qc5+ Kxd7 4.Qxa7+ Kd6 5.Qb8+
Ke7 6.Qc7+ Bd7 7.Qc5+ Kd8 8.Kf2 (3.920.988) 170.7
 9.01   0:34.63  +1.80   1.Bh5+ Ke7+ 2.Ke1 Qf6 3.Qc5+ Kxd7 4.Qxa7+ Kd6 5.Qc5+
Kc7 6.Qa5+ Kd6 7.Qb4+ Kc7 8.Qf4+ Qxf4 9.Nxf4 Kd6 10.Be2 (6.484.350) 187.2
 9.04   0:45.72  +1.81++ 1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kd6 3.d8Q+ Bd7 (8.854.585) 193.6
 9.04   0:47.67  +2.02   1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 5.Ne6 Qd6
6.Qg8+ Nc8 7.Qxc8+ Ka7 (9.340.668) 195.9
 9 ->   0:53.82  +2.02   1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 5.Ne6 Qd6
6.Qg8+ Nc8 7.Qxc8+ Ka7 (10.759.510) 199.8
10.01   0:58.45  +2.03   1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 5.Qg3+ Ka8
6.Ne6 Qf3 7.Qg8+ Nc8 8.Qxc8+ Ka7 (11.797.233) 201.8
10 ->   1:45.57  +2.03   1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 5.Qg3+ Ka8
6.Ne6 Qf3 7.Qg8+ Nc8 (23.110.373) 218.8
11.01   1:49.05  +2.28++ 1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kd6 (23.899.859) 219.1
11.01   1:49.53  +2.78++ 1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kd6 3.d8Q+ Bd7 4.Qxf8+ Ke6 5.Ne5 Bc8
6.Bg4+ Kd5 7.Bxc8 Nxc8 8.Qxc8 (24.011.586) 219.2


Here's Shredder 5's output for two minutes thinking

  7.01	 0:00 	+8.32 	1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 (48.794) 154.9
  8.01	 0:01 	+8.32 	1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 (308.829) 226.9
  9.01	 0:08 	+8.32 	1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+ Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 (2.132.109)
237.1
 10.01	 1:48 	+8.26 	1.Qg5 Bxd7 2.Nf4 Bg4 3.Bxg4 Ke8 4.Qe5+ Qe7 5.Qb8+ Qd8
6.Bh5+ Kd7 7.Qxa7+ Qc7 8.Bg4+ Kc6 (18.244.235) 167.8
best move: Qg1-g5 time: 2:01.314 min  n/s: 169.822  nodes: 20.601.375  TB:
28.058


Although I'm seriously unknown with the solution, I like the elegant locking up
of the king with the help of the white bishop and knight. None of the other
engines I tested came up with this solution, and Shredder 5 came up with it in
such a hurry!

Please enlighten me all if you found a (better and definitive) solution.


J.


(and at ply 16 this variation: 16.01	320:23 	+8.65 	1.Qg5 Ke6+ 2.Kg1 Kxd7 3.Nc5+
Kc8 4.Ba6+ Kb8 5.Qg3+ Ka8 6.Bb7+ Bxb7 7.Nd7 Nb5 8.Nxf8 Bd5 9.Qe5 Bc6 10.Ne6
(975.425.948) 50.7)




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