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Subject: Re: Deep Fritz's tactical mistakes in the match

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:26:40 04/26/01

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On April 26, 2001 at 08:11:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On April 26, 2001 at 07:50:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 26, 2001 at 07:31:42, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On April 26, 2001 at 02:37:39, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>game 1:
>>>>
>>>>In this position
>>>>R7/3r2k1/4b1p1/P2N3p/5P1P/3K1BP1/5b2/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz played 56.Kc4 0.47/15 Rc7 57.Kb4 0.28/16 Rd7 and the following
>>>>position happened
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[D]R7/3r2k1/4b1p1/P2N3p/1K3P1P/5BP1/5b2/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz played 58.Nb6 0.09/16  time when it pondered 8:57
>>>>and used 1007 knodes per second.
>>>>
>>>>I believe that it is a mistake in the time allocation of Deep Fritz.
>>>>It should use more time for 58.Nb6 and the time of pondering was not enough.
>>>>
>>>>The following facts are obvious:
>>>>
>>>>1)Deep Fritz had a possible move that force repetition(58.Kc4)
>>>>2)The score of Deep Fritz dropped and was only slightly above 0
>>>>
>>>>I believe that programs should use more time in these situations.
>>>>The time control was 40/90 and it means that Deep Fritz probably had more than
>>>>45 minutes to calculate and in this situation that is not common I would prefer
>>>>to use at least half of them.
>>>
>>>Oh this is not a matter of time division, i think Fritz time division
>>>is more than ok. It's about evaluation here.
>>
>>I agree that Deep Fritz evaluation was wrong but deeper search could probably
>>avoid the error because Deep Fritz's evaluation was negative in the next move.
>>
>>It could suspect that something is wrong in the evaluation because the score was
>>positive and went down.
>>
>>It could also repeat the same position and I think that both of these factors
>>should convince it to use more time in the relevant position(you cannot get
>>evaluation that is always right and if you have possible repetition and a reason
>>to suspect that the evaluation is wrong then using more time is a good idea).
>>
>>Uri
>
>My endgame evaluator isn't *that* great, but it just needs 8 ply
>to see what deep fritz probabl doesn't see the first 16 plies.
>
>Searching deeper is always cheap to say, junior is winning all those games
>because even a preprocessor with some knowledge is better as a
>non-preprocessor without any king safety!

I do not know if Deep Junior is a preprocessor.

Amir said that he did some preprocessing in Junior6 but hopes to get rid of it
and the version that played was not Junior6.

I do not have Junior6 but based on my knowledge of previous versions of Junior I
guess that Junior6 does not do a lot of preprocessing and other program like
Shredder5 or Tiger14 do more preprocessing).

I am also not sure if Deep Junior is going to win the match.
The result is now only 6.5-2.5 so maybe Deep Fritz can win(it only needs 4 wins
out of 15 games to get 12-12 and it is not an impossible task)

Uri



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