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Subject: Re: The Progress of an Idea: first CSTAL, then Gambit Tiger, now DJ...

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 11:34:22 04/26/01

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On April 26, 2001 at 05:58:37, joe dean wrote:

>On April 25, 2001 at 14:40:53, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>Hi all:
>>It seems that after all Chris W., the official villain of this site according to
>>many, was the father of a real good idea:
>
>Fernando,
>
>A suggestion.
>
>It would perhaps make sense to cease making mention of Chess System Tal here.
>
>Chris sold the Oxford Softworks business almost a year ago and has moved on from
>computer chess. References to CSTAL or to Chris himself might have the effect of
>dragging him back to a place he doesn't want to be.




Why are you speaking about yourself using the third person of singular ? ;)




    Christophe








>Plus, as you can tell from Christophe's comment, the programmers here really
>don't like the idea that Chris may have been first with the idea, they seem to
>feel that this would take away from their own achievements, which of course it
>doesn't, they achieve what they achieve with their own hard work.
>
>References also may just increase the hate level which can't be healthy for
>those afflicted.
>
>So from both sides, it probably is best to just not mention CSTAL or Chris's
>name. It just creates 'trouble'. And 'trouble' is not wanted here.
>
>Let's just add "Chris" and "CSTAL" to the list of banned words. Easier all
>round.
>
>
>
>
> that no matter how much you search,
>>you cannot outsearch the power of positional awareness when speculative attacks
>>are the issue. With just or mainly searching capabilities, the engine can see
>>maybe 16 plies, really a lot, but an accurate positionallly based attacking shot
>>can go a lot deeper, some times from middle game to the very end.
>>
>>If something has been probed -at least until now- by the incredibles wins of DJ
>>is precisely that.  Look the way it has won. Look the evals of Fritz. Look at
>>that of DJ. Look at the lethal sacrifices of DJ againts all purely searching
>>criteria.
>>
>>Luck? Just a casual output of "only" five games? Or maybe six by now? I cannot
>>believe that. I see that Mr Ban has got his lessons from Gambit as Theron got
>>his lessons from Wittington. By "lesson" I understand not neccesarily an
>>specific learning of some witty tricks, but the fruitfull development of an
>>idea.
>>
>>I cannot way the day this Super DJ will be in the shells. Or even better, the
>>next program inspired, at its turn, by the perfomance of DJ. A new era of chess
>>programming maybe - well, almost surely- is beginning.
>>
>>With hope
>>
>>Fernando



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