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Subject: Re: to bob re:hsu's chip

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:49:24 04/27/01

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On April 27, 2001 at 11:52:26, Joshua Lee wrote:

>I think i am missing something important or we all are? those chips were
>supposed to be 200Mhz PowerPC's in Deep Blue wouldn't they use the same but
>faster in DB2?


Wrong chips.  DB played on an IBM SP2 which used 32 PPCs as the base
cpus.  Connected to each PPC was a pair of VME bus cards with 16 of Hsu's
custom chess chips on each board.  _those_ are the chips we are talking
about when we say 20mhz and 24mhz..


> For a 20 or 24Mhz chip at .60 Microns to perform a millions of
>nodes per second you would have to have a RISC design



Wrong idea.  The chips are not general purpose CPUS (the chess chips).  They
are ASICs that were designed to specifically implement the chess functions
needed (included a hardware alpha/beta search).



> and be at .10 then you
>would need more than i can figure as far as i can tell at 20Mhz if it were like
>a regular chip in a home computer it would be running at 10,000 Nodes per second
>(on my 500Mhz P3 i get tops 400Knps i figure on a 100Mhz you would get 50Knps
>and on 50Mhz you would get 40Knps and on a 20Mhz you would get 10Knps)but that's
>just it it's not a regular chip it Only runs a chess program  see what i am
>saying that is just too big so without saying much further we need a real
>comparison actual results with the "Chess Specific chip "
>We can't compare a Quad Xeon which does millions of calculations to keep widows
>from crashing, the taskbar running, time of day, Kernel32.dll, yadda yadda.
>The processors we have in our computers are not even 50% efficient probably not
>even that when it comes to something that is designed to do 1 thing and do it
>really really well.  So probably if our computers were doing one thing at their
>.18 or even .60microns they would be hitting millions of nodes per second if not
>1 billion.  But this is just my guess as i am not an engineer.



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