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Subject: Re: Concept---why diminishing returns may not occur prior to endgame phase

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:29:46 04/28/01

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On April 28, 2001 at 02:08:00, Stephen A. Boak wrote:

>On April 28, 2001 at 01:52:01, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>This may indicate, for example, that there are relatively as many win, loss &
>>draw nodes, generally speaking, at each fixed ply depth, no matter how many
>>plies are calculated--even if those results are not precisely calculatable by
>>the program!  Therefore the program that calculates x plies more than its
>>opponent will have approx the same increased chances to steer toward the >winning lines.  [I hope you can understand the concept I am trying to >communicate.]
>
>I mean that the general percentage of calculated win nodes, arrived at by
>calculating to a fixed N+X depth, which are *not* seen by calculating only to N
>depth, may be approximately the same no matter what N is.  At least during the
>opening & middle games.

I do not believe that it is so simple.

I believe that there are positions when program A understands better than
program B and if program A is lucky to get them then 10 plies may win against 15
plies but 5 plies does not win against 10 plies because 5 plies does tactical
mistakes that are decisive.

There are mistakes when some programs may do even at depth 15 when other
programs may avoid them at depth 10.

I expect to see more wins for the weaker side at higher depthes because of this
reason.

Unfortunately the depths that I played are not big enough and doing a match at
depth 10 against depth 15 may take a long time and I expect average of at least
some hours per game even after upgrading my hardware.


Uri



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