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Subject: Re: Kramnik should represent the human kind with honor, not by cheating

Author: Robert Raese

Date: 06:19:45 04/29/01

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On April 29, 2001 at 09:15:22, Gordon Rattray wrote:

>On April 29, 2001 at 08:41:34, Dana Turnmire wrote:
>
>>On April 29, 2001 at 08:30:42, Gordon Rattray wrote:
>>
>>>On April 29, 2001 at 08:05:40, Dana Turnmire wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 29, 2001 at 07:46:51, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What kind of champion Kramnik really is? Did Kasparov requested to pratice
>>>>>>against Kramnik three months before Kramnik himself challenge him?. NO!,
>>>>>>therefore, if he is going to represent the human kind he should do it with
>>>>>>honor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>
>>>>  Is It honorable for the chess program team to have access to Krammik's games
>>>>on database to prepare for the openings?  You sound like a spokesman for
>>>>robotkind.  I support mankind.
>>>>  I thought Deep Blue had an incredible advantage over Kasparov.
>>>
>>>But Kramnik *will* have access to some games by the computer too!  For example,
>>>supposing Deep Junior eventually plays Kramnik, I can download many games played
>>>by Deep Junior.  There is a big difference between access to games and access to
>>>the player!
>>>
>>>I don't particularly support mankind or "robotkind", but I do support fair
>>>matches and this match is turning out to be a joke.  Unfortunately if Kramnik
>>>wins it, people will summarise the result as "a human beat a computer in the
>>>last man-machine match".  They won't append "...but the human practiced against
>>>the program for three months prior... and there may have been a stronger program
>>>that didn't get a chance to compete... etc etc."
>>>
>>>Why did you think Deep Blue had an incredible advantage over Kasparov?  Was it
>>>because in *some* (not all) aspects it was a better chess player?
>>>
>>>Gordon
>>
>>  The Deep Blue team had access to years of Kasparov's games with a GM preparing
>>the opening books.  Kasparov was playing completely blind.  He wasn't even
>>allowed to see any games by the program.
>
>Are you suggesting that anyone entering a match must be able to supply their
>opponent a minimum number of games?
>
>It is the *player's* responsibility to conduct their own preparation, and the
>opponent should have *no* responsibility for assisting that preparation.  Deep
>Blue played games prior to the Kasparov match (e.g. against David Levy and also
>other computers) - if the Kasparov team couldn't find these then that is their
>problem (although I doubt this was the case!).  Alternatively, if you are
>suggesting that these games are redundant since the machine was constantly
>changing (e.g. from Deep Thought to Deep Blue, etc), then Kasparov also changes
>the way he plays and if he doesn't change much, then once again that it up to
>him.
>
>A player has to make do with what games are available.  If this amounts to a
>small collection, then they have to make do with that.  Prior to many human
>world championships, the players participate in secret training matches against
>"sparring partners".  This allows them to test new opening ideas, etc.  Should
>these games be made available to their future opponent prior to the match?  I
>very much doubt it.
>
>It is pathetic for any player to request information about their opponent other
>than what is already publicly available.

yes, very squirmy and weak.




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