Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:58:29 04/29/01
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On April 29, 2001 at 13:16:26, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 29, 2001 at 10:56:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 29, 2001 at 04:01:32, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2001 at 03:39:53, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>It seems clear why it wasn't invited to participate: >>>> >>>>1) The organizer is going to use a multiprocessor machine. >>>>2) Fritz and Junior run on a multiprocessor machine. >>>>3) Tiger is known to not run on such a machine. >>>>4) Tiger is very strong, but if it is stronger than Junior or Fritz, it's >>>>probably not stronger by much. >>>>5) A multiprocessor machine should produce a significant performance boost. >>>>6) It is hoped that the event will produce an "accurate" winner. >>>> >>>>If you allow these points, you can make a case that Tiger on a single processor >>>>can't be stronger than Junior or Fritz on a multi. >>> >>>I understood that tiger can use more than one processor. >>> >> >> >>This is speculation. Ed/Christophe did two things wrong, _assuming_ they have >>an SMP tiger: >> >>1. Neither mentioned it _anywhere_. They chose to "keep it a secret" for >>some supposed "surprise value" at a tournament in the future; > > > >Isn't it our right to do so? > >What's next? Accusations that we keep our tournament books secret? > > > > >>2. Christophe has gone on record _several times_ saying SMP is not needed, it >>is the "wrong way" and so forth. > > > >I have said several times that I don't see SMP becoming the main stream in >computing, not even in chess computing. This is still my opinion. > >I said several times I had no plan to release a SMP version of Tiger. I did NOT >say I did not have one. I did NOT say I have never worked on SMP. You are right that you did not say that you did not work on SMP but the impression that a lot of readers got was that you did not work on SMP. This was the impression that I got. You could generate a different impression by saying that you have plans to use SMP tiger in the future but not to do it commercial. > >I also said that I could change my mind if the market demands it. I thought at that time that changing your mind means starting to work on SMP. Last time I >said so was in a live interview on the CSS forum. Go to to this forum, go to the >page where the 16 hours interview has been reported, and you will find my words >about this. > >It was BTW before I heard about the Kramnik match. > > > > >>They chose secrecy over openness, and now to complain is disingenuous to the >>max. BG is suppose to be able to read minds? > > > >Bob, as a supporter of the Deep Blue team, you certainly know a lot about the >secrecy around the IBM thing. > >And now you would blame me if I do the same? I do not blame you for it but I do not understand what you can earn by keeping it as a secret. Knowing that tiger is going to be SMP in the next tournament cannot help fritz or Junior to get better results against tiger. > >So it's OK if IBM keeps informations secret, but if I do it it's not OK? > > > > > >>I have already stated my opinion about the qualifier previously. But not >>inviting RG (IMHO) is _not_ a point that should be argued. If the company >>chose to keep the product secret, they made a mistake as we now know. Too >>bad... > > > >No. <snipped> >The organizers have made a mistake. > >The challengers did not have to be commercial products. If so, Deep Blue would >not have been invited. > >So even if I do not have a commercial SMP version of Tiger, the organizers >should AT LEAST have asked us. Because participating with a commercial version, >clearly, is not required. > >Actually what they should have done is a PUBLIC announcement about the match, >they should have given all the required conditions to participate, and they >should have told chess programmers/companies that they could submit an >application form. I agree. They should also invite Crafty and Ferret to participate but in this case there is no problem because Bob and Bruce did not want to participate. Uri
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