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Subject: Re: Kramnik interview

Author: Robert Raese

Date: 08:36:50 04/30/01

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On April 30, 2001 at 11:06:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 30, 2001 at 10:56:20, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2001 at 10:01:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2001 at 07:22:24, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>In a recent interview Kramnik states that "We are in a very interesting phase,
>>>>when the strength of the best GMs and that of the best chess engines run by the
>>>>best processors are about equal."
>>>>
>>>>I know that this point (machines being GM strenght or nor) has been debated
>>>>again and again and I don't intend to post a troll. I would just like to know if
>>>>the consensus now among chess programmers is wether Kramnik is right or not. For
>>>>instance, I remember Bob Hyatt saying that computers are really 2450, etc. But
>>>>software evolves, CPU power evolves and perhaps now there is agreement that
>>>>machines are finally GM strenght?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Alvaro Polo
>>>
>>>
>>>I personally think my estimate is still pretty close.  Computers have two
>>>serious problems:
>>>
>>>1.  opening books.  They depend on a human to "play the game" of choosing good
>>>and bad openings.  This leaves them highly vulnerable to opening preparation and
>>>traps.  Particularly when you practice against one copy and then play another
>>>copy which doesn't have the 'learning' from the practice games.
>>>
>>>2.  blocked positions and slow build-ups in kingside attacks.  Hardly anyone
>>>has made progress in fighting either of these problems.  And they _still_ offer
>>>good chances for a GM that is willing to employ them.
>>
>>Problem is the results speak against your opinion. I don't think the current
>>top programs aren't without chance against Kramnik.
>>
>>Ed
>
>
>Depends on how you define "results".  Humans that use a real anti-computer
>type of preparation are doing quite well.  Humans that play normal chess are
>getting rolled into small wads.

how small are the wads?  :)



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