Author: José Antônio Fabiano Mendes
Date: 12:09:22 04/30/01
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On April 29, 2001 at 10:47:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 29, 2001 at 05:10:24, Peter Berger wrote: > >>On April 29, 2001 at 00:59:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 28, 2001 at 16:41:23, Peter Berger wrote: >>> >><snip> >>> >>>I disagree. Crafty can't "move pieces" on a real board. >> >>This isn't important here IMHO - Crafty understands the concept of a move very >>well . >> > > > >True. But it _also_ "understand" that it is talking to a human that will >have to make the move and stop the clock. > > > >> But in any case, >>>I have never seen the rule state that you can _not_ make the move on the board. >>>The rule simply has always been that you must claim the draw on _your_ time. >>>Then the arbiter confirms the repetition. In the case of computers, that is >>>obviously not necessary, but crafty says: >>> >>>"my move is 49. Rc8+ >>> >>>"The game is a draw by repetition" >>> >>>then it waits for whatever happens next... >>> >>>I don't see how a computer could do it any differently. >> >>It could say : >> >>"The game is a draw by repetition" >> >>In case the position on the board is a 3rd repetition it should say nothing else >>. > > > >It does that. If the position is repeated _before_ it has to move, it does >not make a move at all, it just claims the draw. > > >> >>In case the 3rd repetition position will be reached by a certain move it could >>say : >> >>" I intend to play 49. Rc8+ and claim draw by repetition ." >> >>That ICC and WinBoard/XBoard currently don't support doing it like this doesn't >>mean it can't be done at all . An enhancement of the WinBoard protocol adding a >>"claimdraw" as Miguel A. Ballicora suggested would be a good start . > >If it was done in winboard and winboard was made compatible with _all_ >chess servers, this would be easy. But not all servers handle that case, >meaning winboard would have to behave as it does now for those servers that >don't... > > > > > >> >>> >>>I have seen that scenario played in major WC type events. I once watched >>>Korchnoi do exactly that in a US Open game... He made the move on the board, >>>wrote it down, claimed a draw, and got the arbiter... >> >>I don't get your point here - so Korchnoi did wrong ..; the rule explains >>exactly how it should be done . >> >>pete > > >If I am not mistaken, "your move is not completed until you press the clock >button to stop your clock and start your opponent's clock." Therefore making >the move on the board does not invalidate a draw claim. I am afraid it does,please see the FIDE rules 10.10 and 10.11. JAFM
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