Author: Don Prohaska
Date: 12:15:37 04/30/01
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On April 30, 2001 at 10:15:16, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 30, 2001 at 10:01:09, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 30, 2001 at 07:22:24, Alvaro Polo wrote: >> >>>Hello all, >>> >>>In a recent interview Kramnik states that "We are in a very interesting phase, >>>when the strength of the best GMs and that of the best chess engines run by the >>>best processors are about equal." >>> >>>I know that this point (machines being GM strenght or nor) has been debated >>>again and again and I don't intend to post a troll. I would just like to know if >>>the consensus now among chess programmers is wether Kramnik is right or not. For >>>instance, I remember Bob Hyatt saying that computers are really 2450, etc. But >>>software evolves, CPU power evolves and perhaps now there is agreement that >>>machines are finally GM strenght? >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Alvaro Polo >> >> >>I personally think my estimate is still pretty close. Computers have two >>serious problems: >> >>1. opening books. They depend on a human to "play the game" of choosing good >>and bad openings. This leaves them highly vulnerable to opening preparation and >>traps. Particularly when you practice against one copy and then play another >>copy which doesn't have the 'learning' from the practice games. > >I think it is unfair to use this way to decide about the level of chess >programs. > >I am more interested to know the results of programs when the opponent cannot >get a copy of the program. > >When Deep thought and Deep blue played against humans the opponents could not >get a copy of the program so I see no reason to let them to get a copy of the >programs before the game. > >I think that letting the opponent to get a copy before the match should be >allowed only after programs can prove that they can beat the best humans without >giving them a copy before the match. > >Uri I've learned not to get into this stuff, but if the computer gets a copy of the human (all his published games)why is it bad for the human not to get a peek at the computer? I know! I should mind my own business.
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