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Subject: Re: That busts me! I can't tollerate the differences anymore RE DJ vs DF.

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:02:27 04/30/01

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On April 30, 2001 at 18:48:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 30, 2001 at 18:28:56, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2001 at 15:43:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2001 at 13:20:33, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>I feel It's just a bit tooo inconsistent now. First 5 straight wins for DJ, then
>>>>nothing like it again, and even 3 straight wins for DF.
>>>>There must be something wrong somewhere!
>>>>People can say calmly "that's ok! nothing to worry about! It's quite normal!"
>>>>OR perhaps, chess is really a game of luck!!!
>>>>OK, if its proven beyond doubt that all this was the way things go, without any
>>>>imballance or bug because of things like learning, autoplayer etc. that's fine.
>>>>But I would like to see it investigated fully.
>>>> Unless it was that the first 5 games were openings which were advantageous to
>>>>DJ, but having "learned" them, DF was now well protected from these Junior
>>>>tricks. Could that be the case?
>>>>S.Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>>Pick any two programs.  Play 50 games.  You will find at _least_ one place
>>>where each won 5 games in a row.  There is absolutely nothing unusual about
>>>this.
>>
>>Of course, you mean two theoretically equal programs (and do you also assume
>>that there are no draws?). And, just to test this, I just looked at the results
>>of a few 100-game matches, and there was only one instance of a program winning
>>four in a row. There were no five win sequences. There were MANY sequences in
>>which White won four in a row, though.
>
>I was not ignoring draws...  and even with two programs that are 100 points
>different is skill, I have seen the weaker win 5 in a row in a reasonable
>match...

It is not common  Junior was 3 times black in the first 5 games.

If you assume 30% chances for black to win and 40% chances for white to win
you get probability of less than 0.5% for Junior to win the first 5 games.

The probability that one of the program wins games 1-5 is
0.4^2*0.3^3+0.4^3*0.3^2=0.00432+0.00576=0.0108
The probability that one of the programs win games 2-6 is also 0.0108
...
The probability that one of the programs win games 46-50 is also 0.0108

Conclusion:
The probability of the union of these 46 events is less than 0.0108*46
It means that the probability to get 5 wins in a row for one side if you play 50
games is less than 50%.

Uri



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