Author: Djordje Vidanovic
Date: 08:12:12 05/01/01
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On April 30, 2001 at 10:59:03, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 30, 2001 at 10:29:14, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 30, 2001 at 10:01:09, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 30, 2001 at 07:22:24, Alvaro Polo wrote: >>> >>>>Hello all, >>>> >>>>In a recent interview Kramnik states that "We are in a very interesting phase, >>>>when the strength of the best GMs and that of the best chess engines run by the >>>>best processors are about equal." >>>> >>>>I know that this point (machines being GM strenght or nor) has been debated >>>>again and again and I don't intend to post a troll. I would just like to know if >>>>the consensus now among chess programmers is wether Kramnik is right or not. For >>>>instance, I remember Bob Hyatt saying that computers are really 2450, etc. But >>>>software evolves, CPU power evolves and perhaps now there is agreement that >>>>machines are finally GM strenght? >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>>Alvaro Polo >>> >>> >>>I personally think my estimate is still pretty close. Computers have two >>>serious problems: >>> >>>1. opening books. They depend on a human to "play the game" of choosing good >>>and bad openings. This leaves them highly vulnerable to opening preparation and >>>traps. Particularly when you practice against one copy and then play another >>>copy which doesn't have the 'learning' from the practice games. >>> >>>2. blocked positions and slow build-ups in kingside attacks. Hardly anyone >>>has made progress in fighting either of these problems. And they _still_ offer >>>good chances for a GM that is willing to employ them. >> >>I completely agree here. Add to that that if you can remember which program >>you practiced against cq studied very well, that you then also know what >>kind of positoinal knowledge the prog doesn't know. >> >>Some progs lack simplistic positional knowledge. Playing progs in general >>is not such a cool idea, you need to know indepth knowledge of the program >>you play to win from it. >> >>At least with 2285 national i need to know that. > >Do you want to play a match Vincent :-) > >Ed I'd be willing to wager a bet in Vincent's favour :-) He would be my favourite in a 4 game match vs Rebel. Other conditions: 40 moves in 20 hrs, the rest in 30 min. *** Djordje
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