Author: Albert Silver
Date: 09:00:19 05/01/01
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On April 30, 2001 at 10:59:03, Ed Schröder wrote:
>On April 30, 2001 at 10:29:14, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2001 at 10:01:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 30, 2001 at 07:22:24, Alvaro Polo wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>In a recent interview Kramnik states that "We are in a very interesting phase,
>>>>when the strength of the best GMs and that of the best chess engines run by the
>>>>best processors are about equal."
>>>>
>>>>I know that this point (machines being GM strenght or nor) has been debated
>>>>again and again and I don't intend to post a troll. I would just like to know if
>>>>the consensus now among chess programmers is wether Kramnik is right or not. For
>>>>instance, I remember Bob Hyatt saying that computers are really 2450, etc. But
>>>>software evolves, CPU power evolves and perhaps now there is agreement that
>>>>machines are finally GM strenght?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Alvaro Polo
>>>
>>>
>>>I personally think my estimate is still pretty close. Computers have two
>>>serious problems:
>>>
>>>1. opening books. They depend on a human to "play the game" of choosing good
>>>and bad openings. This leaves them highly vulnerable to opening preparation and
>>>traps. Particularly when you practice against one copy and then play another
>>>copy which doesn't have the 'learning' from the practice games.
>>>
>>>2. blocked positions and slow build-ups in kingside attacks. Hardly anyone
>>>has made progress in fighting either of these problems. And they _still_ offer
>>>good chances for a GM that is willing to employ them.
>>
>>I completely agree here. Add to that that if you can remember which program
>>you practiced against cq studied very well, that you then also know what
>>kind of positoinal knowledge the prog doesn't know.
>>
>>Some progs lack simplistic positional knowledge. Playing progs in general
>>is not such a cool idea, you need to know indepth knowledge of the program
>>you play to win from it.
>>
>>At least with 2285 national i need to know that.
>
>Do you want to play a match Vincent :-)
>
>Ed
He wrote somewhere else that he is only waiting for an official invitation via
e-mail, and that he'd accept half the prize money offered to GMs, but not for
free. Ed?
Albert
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