Author: John Dahlem
Date: 14:14:57 05/01/01
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On May 01, 2001 at 17:04:21, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 01, 2001 at 16:41:27, John Dahlem wrote: > >>On May 01, 2001 at 16:03:05, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 01, 2001 at 15:30:12, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 01, 2001 at 15:16:22, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>You have better probability to guess correctly if you guess that Fritz is >>>>>better based on the result. >>>>>It means that guessing that Fritz is better is clearly a better guess. >>>> >>>>A guess is still a guess, not knowledge. >>>> >>>>>Even If the probability to be right by guessing that Fritz is better is >>>>>only 51% it is better guess and I think it is clearly more than it because I >>>>>suspect that better opening preperation of the Junior team explains the first >>>>>results. >>>> >>>>I don't think that the Junior team had better opening preparation. Just another >>>>guess. >>>> >>>>Mogens. >>> >>>Suppose there is a match of 240 games and the result after 50 games is 50-0 and >>>after 240 games the result is 120-120. >>> >>>What is going to be your opinion in that case? >>> >>>Are you going to guess that the leader did better opening preperation? >>> >>>Another possible guess in that case is that the second program had a better >>>learning function and they learned from the games to change their evaluation >>>function or to do better extensions and it may be also both of these factors >>>together with some luck. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>In my opinion Junior often got WORSE opening positions than Fritz, then >>outplayed it in the midgame (in the first 5 games). Remeber that in the first >>game Junior was out of book after 16 moves, Fritz after 21. > >Good opening preperation is not about getting better positions but about getting >positions that the opponent does not understand. > >Uri True, but that is taking a risk considering Fritz 7 might have different positional evals than Fritz 6/deep fritz and they would thereby be putting Junior in a theoretically worse position. I don't think they would do this. However it does seem valid after the 5-0 start and then being crushed by Fritz the las 12 or so games where it got only one win. It really did seem as though Fritz was surprised by Junior's attacking style and then learned from it, but I know this is impossible.
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