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Subject: Re: Fritz wins ! [sensible idea for a playoff]

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 17:59:53 05/01/01

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On May 01, 2001 at 20:25:12, Chessfun wrote:

>On May 01, 2001 at 12:54:38, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On May 01, 2001 at 12:18:47, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>On May 01, 2001 at 10:40:06, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 01, 2001 at 10:33:01, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>after drawing 12-12 with junior. fritz is now leading in the play-off 2-0. dont
>>>>>know what sort of play off this is or how long.in my opinion the 2 prog should
>>>>>now be allowed to beat up other progs (and find which one does it more
>>>>>effectively) or submit the games to a panel of expert human GMs to get their
>>>>>opinion as to which of the 2 plays more human-like!and has better chances of
>>>>>winning aginst a human super gm
>>>>>
>>>>>rajen
>>>>
>>>>According to Chessbase www.chessbase.com the play-off is over Fritz won.
>>>>
>>>>Sarah.
>>>
>>>Did this prove scientifically which is the best program?  Was the luck factor
>>>removed?  Is the result more significant than the WCCC?
>>>
>>>bruce
>>
>>
>>The "play-off" should be (and for crying out loud-could someone PLEASE get them
>>to do this, or something similar. What's the point of just the idea?) that both
>>DJ and DF should play a short match each with one, or both Tigers. Or a
>>different top program, as that would be more entertaining as well as more
>>scientific and informative in its testing.
>>  Scientifically, as an experiment, it is much too close to decide from. But
>>that doesn't necesarily mean that one isn't stronger than the other.
>>  So by testing both against Tiger(s) you will see if one clearly handles Tiger
>>better than the other. AND you might even see that Tiger itself looks better
>>than both.
>> If you must, do it with Shredder 5, OR, also with Shredder.
>>S.Taylor
>
>
>The SSDF is currently testing Gambit 2.0 v Deep Fritz.
>Deep Fritz I believe is winning 13-11
>last post I saw was this;
>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?167133
>That is on equal hardware.
>But even so what would be the point in your proposal when
>the program that plays Kramnik will use 8 cpu's?
>
>Sarah.
 Oh! if that's the case it would be different. So should this test match have
been.   (8 cpu's should add atleast a ply).
S.Taylor



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