Author: Larry Proffer
Date: 10:50:15 05/02/01
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On May 02, 2001 at 12:48:27, Rajen Gupta wrote:
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>my story is as follows: bgn as an organisation that promotes chess rather than
>be known as a "one event wonder" managed to get both kramnik's agreement to
>participate as well as sponsorship for a kramnik vs computer event. (it is very
>important to note that besides IBM, no one else has ever managed both of these
>simultaneously; not even the official body ICCA)
Right.
>
>kramnik, obviously a very busy person, could find time to do so sometime in
>october 2001.having learnt the lesson of the deep-blue match he stipulates very
>strict "all or none conditions".("you need me, i dont need you take it or lump
>it")these conditions though extremely unfair towards the chess machine were
>accepted by bgn before kramnik/sponsors decide to change their minds.
Also right.
>
>bgn looked around and picked enrique
Wrong timing of events. Didn't happen in this order.
to organise such a match according to the
>conditions stated above-one of them being "strongest commercially available that
>can play on an 8 way machine"
Nice. Now we can pin the 'commercial' requirement on Kramnik? Doesn't wash.
Kramnik is under contract to BGN. Kramnik can reasonably ask for the program
early to avoid Deep-Blue-surprise-itis disease, but not start stipulating
'commercial available' opponent. Anyway, why would he bother with such a
stipulation? And how do you account to Deep Blue, which was never 'available'
and questionably 'commercial' in the accepted chess program sense?
and the match to conclude before the middle of
>may2001 (and not 2002).he therefore invites the 3 "stongest commercially
>available programmes", each of which have proved themselves in someway or
>another-one is a"world champ", one is on top of the "ssdf list", and one has
>held its own against a collection of superGMs.
Feeble. And it isn't what happened.
BGN didn't look around and 'find Enrique'. If they type "computer chess expert"
into their search engine it doesn't point at www.enrique.irazoqui.com
BGN know nothing on computer chess. Ray Keene said, and I quote: "the programs
are running on a mainframe in Bahrain". If he says that, he knows nothing of
computer chess. He is totally dependant on *advice*. Key fact.
Ray Keene is in business. He made contact with business people. Ossi and
Chessbase.
Ossi and Chessbase, both commercial, both in operation to maximise profit
(nothing wrong with that). Keene knows that if he, as a relative non-expert,
asks for their advice, they'll tell him part true, and leave out the bits that
don't suit. Nothing wrong with that, it is how business operates.
Keene needs independant experts, who can tell him the truth. Give him good, fair
and impartial advice. Then he _knows_ if what he is doing is ok.
Chessbase introduce him to the experts. SSDF and Enrique.
Keene verifies they are experts as best he can. Looks good. A twenty years
experience rating list, published in an academic journal. A professor who
organised the Linares of Computer Chess.
Now the real question:
We know Ossi and Chessbase are going to be spinning the line of Shredder only,
Fritz and Junior only. We know Keene is looking for best advice to help decide
the pre-match tournament.
What was the advice from Bertil and Enrique?
Who did they, as impartial 'amateurs' and computer chess experts, represent?
The computer chess community?
The truth?
What they truly saw as the community of SMP capable programs?
Or?
How, on their advice of who played, did such a small pool of programs belong?
Was it coincidence that both programs were Chessbase owned?
The question is: Did they, as experts, represent Chessbase interests back to a
non-expert?
That is the simple question. Everybody else behaved entirely predictably,
entirely reasonably, according to their own interests.
Did Enrique and Bertil, as experts, advise entirely reasonably and entirely
truthfully, to someone who was depending on their advice, or did they have an
agenda?
Simple question.
What was their advice?
Very simple question.
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