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Subject: Re: What advantage will Kramnik gain in 3 months?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:33:39 05/02/01

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On May 02, 2001 at 14:21:18, Chris Carson wrote:

>On May 02, 2001 at 14:09:53, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 02, 2001 at 13:48:04, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>I would like to hear from the CCC group how much K will
>>>gain from having the program for 3 months.  In my view,
>>>an advantage yes, but maybe not as much as I thought at
>>>first.
>>>
>>>1.  K may not have the HW for the match.
>>>2.  To get a real feel for Fritz 7 he will need the HW and
>>>    play 40/2 games.
>>>3.  K has to prepare for other opponents for matches and
>>>    tournaments, I think this will be a higher priority for K.
>>>4.  K has other commitments than just matches and tournaments that
>>>    will also be a higher priority.
>>>5.  K may gain a sense of how Fritz should play at any given time,
>>>    and may be over confident by match time.
>>>
>>>None of the above are guaranteed, but in my opinion, lots of games at
>>>fast time controls is not the same as 40/2 on the real HW.  Also, my
>>>guess is that K will play some each week against what ever version of
>>>Fritz he gets, but each will be slightly different (ala play different
>>>versions of crafty with slightly different books) and not the same.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts.
>>>
>>>I do think this gives K a huge advantage, I am just not sure he will
>>>have the time to fully utilize it.  Just some thoughts.  ;)
>>>
>>>My guess now:  K wins 6.5-3.5 with a couple of surprises by both
>>>and a couple of blunders by both.  ;)
>>
>>I don't think he would just try random openings or something silly like that.
>>He will aim for strategies.  In other words:
>>
>>1.  Will it fall to a giant material imbalance?
>>2.  Will it fall to blocked pawn formations?  Can these formations be easily
>>created and if so, in what manner?
>>3.  Will it have a NULL move blindside that is repeatable?
>>4.  Are there early positional moves it will not understand?
>>
>>That sort of stuff.  Armed with data like that, I don't think you could give
>>them a larger advantage.  I don't think GM's have worked very hard at beating
>>computers.  What I mean is, they try to beat them conventionally.  I suspect
>>that if they carefully studied Raphael Vasques' Anticomputer site, their ELO
>>against the machines would instantly go up 100 points.  And if they worked on
>>anticomputer strategies it would go up another 100 points.  And if they spend
>>three months preparing for a specific opponent, it will go up another 100
>>points.  You might imagine that they already do this stuff.  However, I have had
>>email conversations with GM's after they engaged in high-profile matches against
>>computers.  I was surprised to learn that some are actually unaware of the value
>>of closed formations and some of the basic anticomputer strategies.
>
>I agree with you Dann, that represents the upper bound for Kramnik and
>doom for Fritz.  It may come to pass if Kramnik fully takes advantage
>of everything and the Fritz programmers have no surprises for him.
>
>I am not convinced that Kramnik will devote as much time preparing for
>the computer (as you pointed out that other GM's have not) that is afforded
>to him and I also think the Fritz programmers may have a wrinkle or two
>for him.  This will make no difference in the outcome.  Kramnik will win
>big, but it may not be a blow out like 10-0 or 9-1 or 8-2.  Kramnik starts
>with about 100 pt ratings advantage.  Give 300 more as you have pointed
>out and that is 400 points (maybe more).  Thus you would expect 9-1 or
>better for Kramnik.  2 or more points for Fritz would have to be considered
>an accomplishment.  Agree or Disagree?  :)

I agree with you.  Unfortunately, I'm wrong a lot!
;-)

That is one reason I find the contest so interesting.  There may be some clouds
over the whole thing, but I will still be drawn to it like a moth to a flame.  I
lack the moral strength to boycott.  I expect wonderful chess and wonderful
surprises in any case -- blowout or no blowout.



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