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Subject: Re: What advantage will Kramnik gain in 3 months?

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 12:27:33 05/02/01

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On May 02, 2001 at 14:52:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 02, 2001 at 13:48:04, Chris Carson wrote:
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>>I would like to hear from the CCC group how much K will
>>gain from having the program for 3 months.  In my view,
>>an advantage yes, but maybe not as much as I thought at
>>first.
>>
>>1.  K may not have the HW for the match.
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>That is irrelevant.  That only means that the program will be a bit
>stronger tactically.  But it does _not_ affect the knowledge at all.
>If it doesn't understand that a pair of isolated passers are stronger
>than a pair of connected passers in a king and pawn ending, then no
>amount of hardware is going to teach the program that, and he will
>find out such shortcomings quite easily.  And in significant numbers.
>
>>2.  To get a real feel for Fritz 7 he will need the HW and
>>    play 40/2 games.
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>Not at all.  Any GM I know can play blitz games and determine program
>weaknesses.  The weaknesses are there whether it is blitz or not.  The
>tactical weaknesses are not important as more time or faster hardware
>will help hide them.  But positional weaknesses are a lifetime (of the
>program) problem.
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>>3.  K has to prepare for other opponents for matches and
>>    tournaments, I think this will be a higher priority for K.
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>With a million dollar prize?  think about that for a minute then think
>about your statement.  What other tournament will produce a prize fund
>that large?
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>>4.  K has other commitments than just matches and tournaments that
>>    will also be a higher priority.
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>All I need to say is $1,000,000.00...  that is a _very_ big priority for
>_anybody_.  It is a life-changing sum of money.
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>>5.  K may gain a sense of how Fritz should play at any given time,
>>    and may be over confident by match time.
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>That's stretching way too far.
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>>None of the above are guaranteed, but in my opinion, lots of games at
>>fast time controls is not the same as 40/2 on the real HW.  Also, my
>>guess is that K will play some each week against what ever version of
>>Fritz he gets, but each will be slightly different (ala play different
>>versions of crafty with slightly different books) and not the same.
>>
>>Any thoughts.
>>
>>I do think this gives K a huge advantage, I am just not sure he will
>>have the time to fully utilize it.  Just some thoughts.  ;)
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>If I were going to play a computer for $1,000,000.00 that is _all_ I would
>think about for the next 3 months.  Because after winning that event, I could
>retire, live off of the interest, and fish the rest of my life without having
>to worry about anything.
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>>My guess now:  K wins 6.5-3.5 with a couple of surprises by both
>>and a couple of blunders by both.  ;)
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>I would hope Fritz wins a game or two, but you never know.  With 3 months
>to practice against the version he will play against, a win or two by Fritz
>would be considered a tremendous moral victory.  It could easily end up with
>zero wins and draws if he is careful.
>
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>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson

As carefull as Kramnik was in the last Championship Match against previous World
Champion Gari Kasparov he still could not avoided Blundering a few moves.
Even if Kramnik discover a few weaknesses from playing practice games against
Deep Fritz 3 months prior, he will still blunders, since it is a human nature to
blunder under pressure. When Deep Junior and Deep Fritz were being used to
analyze every moves made by Kasparov and Kramnik during the World Championship
there were severals blunders made by both during their match, in which if they
were playing against any of these two programs they would have been punished

Pichard.



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