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Subject: Re: What advantage will Kramnik gain in 3 months?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:39:36 05/02/01

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On May 02, 2001 at 15:04:32, Chris Carson wrote:

>On May 02, 2001 at 14:52:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 02, 2001 at 13:48:04, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>I would like to hear from the CCC group how much K will
>>>gain from having the program for 3 months.  In my view,
>>>an advantage yes, but maybe not as much as I thought at
>>>first.
>>>
>>>1.  K may not have the HW for the match.
>>
>>That is irrelevant.  That only means that the program will be a bit
>>stronger tactically.  But it does _not_ affect the knowledge at all.
>>If it doesn't understand that a pair of isolated passers are stronger
>>than a pair of connected passers in a king and pawn ending, then no
>>amount of hardware is going to teach the program that, and he will
>>find out such shortcomings quite easily.  And in significant numbers.
>>
>>>2.  To get a real feel for Fritz 7 he will need the HW and
>>>    play 40/2 games.
>>
>>
>>Not at all.  Any GM I know can play blitz games and determine program
>>weaknesses.  The weaknesses are there whether it is blitz or not.  The
>>tactical weaknesses are not important as more time or faster hardware
>>will help hide them.  But positional weaknesses are a lifetime (of the
>>program) problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>3.  K has to prepare for other opponents for matches and
>>>    tournaments, I think this will be a higher priority for K.
>>
>>
>>With a million dollar prize?  think about that for a minute then think
>>about your statement.  What other tournament will produce a prize fund
>>that large?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>4.  K has other commitments than just matches and tournaments that
>>>    will also be a higher priority.
>>
>>All I need to say is $1,000,000.00...  that is a _very_ big priority for
>>_anybody_.  It is a life-changing sum of money.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>5.  K may gain a sense of how Fritz should play at any given time,
>>>    and may be over confident by match time.
>>
>>
>>That's stretching way too far.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>None of the above are guaranteed, but in my opinion, lots of games at
>>>fast time controls is not the same as 40/2 on the real HW.  Also, my
>>>guess is that K will play some each week against what ever version of
>>>Fritz he gets, but each will be slightly different (ala play different
>>>versions of crafty with slightly different books) and not the same.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts.
>>>
>>>I do think this gives K a huge advantage, I am just not sure he will
>>>have the time to fully utilize it.  Just some thoughts.  ;)
>>
>>
>>If I were going to play a computer for $1,000,000.00 that is _all_ I would
>>think about for the next 3 months.  Because after winning that event, I could
>>retire, live off of the interest, and fish the rest of my life without having
>>to worry about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>My guess now:  K wins 6.5-3.5 with a couple of surprises by both
>>>and a couple of blunders by both.  ;)
>>
>>I would hope Fritz wins a game or two, but you never know.  With 3 months
>>to practice against the version he will play against, a win or two by Fritz
>>would be considered a tremendous moral victory.  It could easily end up with
>>zero wins and draws if he is careful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Chris Carson
>
>In a perfect world I would agree that Kramnik would only prepare for
>Fritz.  $1M may do it, but really he won't need 3 months or any other
>advantages to beat Fritz.  I do not expect Fritz to get a win (that would
>be truly outstanding in my opinion and a real blunder for Kramnik in
>this situation), however, draws are another story, a few draws with this
>huge advantage for K would be something.  ;)  I am still betting on
>human enginuity (the programmers this time, they have the hardest task
>and I am betting they can rise to the occasion).  :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson

I think every non-loss by the program is a plus.  Every win will be an
impressive accomplishment.  however, for 3 months, and $1,000,000.00, I
think that DF will have Kramnik's attention.  And that spells _lots_ of
trouble.  It is different to catch a GM in a tournament, or on-line.  It
is something else to have him looking for your head for three whole months.

I will be pulling for the program, but I suspect it will be a lost cause.



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