Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:02:35 05/03/01
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On May 03, 2001 at 16:48:20, Christopher R. Dorr wrote: >On May 03, 2001 at 00:59:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 02, 2001 at 22:43:55, John Dahlem wrote: >> >>>On May 02, 2001 at 22:05:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 02, 2001 at 18:39:24, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi Bob: >>>>>Probably I missed this, but: it is clearly in the contract that the Fritz K. >>>>>will play must be the very same as the one that played DJ? There will be an >>>>>engine frozen in a safety box in a bank or in the Pentagon to make sure that >>>>>condition? It is not possible that Morsch can add some things and substract >>>>>other, forbidden or not? By example, to add a match algorythm to accept or not >>>>>draw offers according the history of the match? There will be, if such rule of >>>>>"no changes in the engine" exist, a way to to examine the source code? And if >>>>>not rule of that sort, how we can know for certain the degree of improvements >>>>>Morsch can invent in three long months? >>>>>Regards >>>>>Fernando >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't know. IE prior to the finish of the 'qualifier' I don't see how rules >>>>could have been agreed to since no one knew which program would win. But if the >>>>rules say the same version must play Kramnik that played DJ, then I would >>>>personally say "shove it" and do something else if I were the programmer(s). >>> >>> >>>As I understand it the rules currently state that the program has to be done by >>>July and then shipped to Kramnik, and no changes be made after that. >> >> >>Wouldn't matter to me. I would refuse _any_ such requirement. If he wanted >>to download available versions of my program, fine. But I would not let him >>see what he would be playing... any more than he would show me _his_ >>preparations for the match either... >> >>This makes little sense... > >To me, this is much ado about nothing. Even if Kramnik had to settle for Deep >Fritz 6.1 instead of DF7, how much will he miss? As Bob has said, it's the >positional stuff that the GM cares about; the evaluation functions at the leaves >of the tree. No GM in their right mind is going to go head-on into tactics >against the box anyway. > >How much will the positional evaluations change between vesion 6.1 and version >7? Not much generally. If the positional error is big enough to be easily >caught, it would be quickly changed. But this isn't the stuff he is looking for. >He is looking for the subtle stuff that only a world-class GM can find, and only >by deep and serious study. This isn't stuff the programmer will likely think of >to work on. Even if the team has a resident GM, will he be as strong in >positional understanding as Kramnik? Seeing as there is nobody alive who is, the >answer seems to be no. > >I really don't see him having the production version as being a huge advantage >over just having the most recent commercial version. > >Chris What I would not sign off on is the idea that once I sent him a "final version" then I could not change it any further. IE I would be likely to change things _during_ the match, in fact, to fix holes as he finds them...
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