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Subject: Re: And Fritz? Cannot get advantage?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:02:35 05/03/01

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On May 03, 2001 at 16:48:20, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:

>On May 03, 2001 at 00:59:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 02, 2001 at 22:43:55, John Dahlem wrote:
>>
>>>On May 02, 2001 at 22:05:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 02, 2001 at 18:39:24, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Bob:
>>>>>Probably I missed this, but: it is clearly in the contract that the Fritz K.
>>>>>will play must be the very same as the one that played DJ? There will be an
>>>>>engine frozen in a safety box in a bank or in the Pentagon to make sure that
>>>>>condition? It is not possible that Morsch can add some things and substract
>>>>>other, forbidden or not?  By example, to add a match algorythm to accept or not
>>>>>draw offers according the history of the match? There will be, if such rule of
>>>>>"no changes in the engine" exist, a way to to examine the source code? And if
>>>>>not rule of that sort, how we can know for certain the degree of improvements
>>>>>Morsch can invent in three long months?
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Fernando
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't know.  IE prior to the finish of the 'qualifier' I don't see how rules
>>>>could have been agreed to since no one knew which program would win.  But if the
>>>>rules say the same version must play Kramnik that played DJ, then I would
>>>>personally say "shove it" and do something else if I were the programmer(s).
>>>
>>>
>>>As I understand it the rules currently state that the program has to be done by
>>>July and then shipped to Kramnik, and no changes be made after that.
>>
>>
>>Wouldn't matter to me.  I would refuse _any_ such requirement.  If he wanted
>>to download available versions of my program, fine.  But I would not let him
>>see what he would be playing... any more than he would show me _his_
>>preparations for the match either...
>>
>>This makes little sense...
>
>To me, this is much ado about nothing. Even if Kramnik had to settle for Deep
>Fritz 6.1 instead of DF7, how much will he miss? As Bob has said, it's the
>positional stuff that the GM cares about; the evaluation functions at the leaves
>of the tree. No GM in their right mind is going to go head-on into tactics
>against the box anyway.
>
>How much will the positional evaluations change between vesion 6.1 and version
>7? Not much generally. If the positional error is big enough to be easily
>caught, it would be quickly changed. But this isn't the stuff he is looking for.
>He is looking for the subtle stuff that only a world-class GM can find, and only
>by deep and serious study. This isn't stuff the programmer will likely think of
>to work on. Even if the team has a resident GM, will he be as strong in
>positional understanding as Kramnik? Seeing as there is nobody alive who is, the
>answer seems to be no.
>
>I really don't see him having the production version as being a huge advantage
>over just having the most recent commercial version.
>
>Chris


What I would not sign off on is the idea that once I sent him a "final version"
then I could not change it any further.  IE I would be likely to change things
_during_ the match, in fact, to fix holes as he finds them...



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