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Subject: Re: One mate to solve for fittest programs.(done)

Author: leonid

Date: 05:32:17 05/05/01

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On May 05, 2001 at 01:48:34, Angrim wrote:

>On May 04, 2001 at 16:05:36, leonid wrote:
>
>>On May 04, 2001 at 15:38:23, Angrim wrote:
>>
>>>On May 04, 2001 at 10:26:02, leonid wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello!
>>>>
>>>>Had bad lack this midnight when one call came from my work. It took me 20
>>>>minutes to do it but I went to my bed only at 2 o'clock. One good result from
>>>>broken sleep was this position that you can try to solve. It probably will
>>>>demand one sleepless night from your program, if you will insist on shortest
>>>>mate.
>>>>
>>>>[D]RnqkqnR1/qBNbNBq1/QqQqQqQ1/BrQqQrB1/3q4/8/3Q4/3K4 w- -
>>>>
>>>>Please indicate your result.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Leonid.
>>>
>>>this one IS tough, wonder if having endgame tables would help a lot?
>>
>>Never!
>ok, it just looked like there were some lines where most of the pieces
>would get swapped off.
>
>>
>>>I'll leave my proof number searcher running while I'm at work, maybe it
>>>will find an answer in a few hours.. currently its obsessing over Qxd7.
>>
>>Everything depend on each program branching factor. Two professional that I
>>tried until now (they are not specialized in solving mate nut never hung on you)
>>were slow. The every next program could have very good branching factor for this
>>position. I had the chance to see very good on mine, mainly for brute  force.
>>Selective was slow. It took this in 10 min 42 sec. Celeron 600Mhz. No hash.
>>
>>Leonid.
>>
>
>program finished shortly after I left for work
>proved that move e6xd7 wins, 17 turns
>PN2:94098802 evals, 2821179 expands 1258.90 seconds
>
>I am sure that it did not find the shortest mate, since pn search is
>incredibly selective.  It searched most lines to 12 ply, but a few went
>as deep as 73 ply(these may have traded down to K vs Kb or some such).

Your result sound to me as the move that lead to shortest mate anyway. My
program found symetrical move from left side, it was C6-D7. I found mate in 13
and since Heiner reached already first 12 moves by brute force, this position is
for sure mate in 13.

Leonid.

>It ended up proving that 44 of the 69 legal moves for white lost.
>Angrim



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