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Subject: Re: How much rating do program lose from null move pruning at fixed depth?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:33:45 05/05/01

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On May 05, 2001 at 10:36:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 05, 2001 at 08:25:56, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>There is a possibility to set selectivity of Deep Fritz to 0 and it means that
>>Fritz avoid null move pruning.
>>
>>The interesting question is how many effective plies are lost from null move
>>pruning.
>>
>>Some results suggest that not very much
>>
>>Tiger14(depth3)-Deep Fritz(selectivity=0,depth 3)35-15(6 draws)
>>Tiger14(depth4)-Deep Fritz(selectivity=0,depth 4) 31-19(8 draws)
>>Tiger14(depth 8)-Deep Fritz(selectivity=0,depth 8) 20-23(12 draws) is going to
>>be finished in an hour.
>>
>>The results without null pruning were not significantly better and at depth 3 it
>>is not clear if selectivity=0 is productive because tiger could win only
>>34.5-15.5 against selectivity=2.
>>
>
>Null-move gains at least 2 plies.  But it loses some as well, as a 3 ply
>search with null move is not as good as a 3 ply search without...

The results that I got do not give significant difference for Deep Fritz at
depth 3 but maybe I did not do enough games.

The results clearly suggest that 5 or 8 plies without null move are better than
5 or 8 plies with null move.

Some new results for Fritz *without null move pruning* in the nunn2 match
The difference seems to be bigger when the depth is bigger

Every match is 50 games

Deep Fritz(depth 5)-Tiger14(depth 5) 25-25(14 draws)
Deep Fritz (depth 8)-Tiger14(Depth 8) 27.5-22.5(13 draws)

Deep Fritz(depth 6) and Deep Fritz (depth 9) without null move did better
results against the same oponents so it seems that Fritz does not lose a full
ply even at depth 9 from pruning but again I did not do enough games.

Uri



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