Author: Mark Young
Date: 03:58:33 04/12/98
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On April 12, 1998 at 04:29:42, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>On April 12, 1998 at 04:13:12, Mats Winther wrote:
>
>>On April 11, 1998 at 17:56:49, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>But I don't see your point... Let's say Fritz 5 plays these ugly moves
>>>you posted. I believe you. At times it can play horribly, like all
>>>programs. Like anyone here, I could post hundreds of this kind of moves.
>>>And it wouldn't prove anything different than: programs (all) play lousy
>>>moves every now and then.
>>>
>>Yes, and my point is that I want to promote good quality positional
>>chess. Fritz5 simply plays ridiculous moves more often than the others.
>>But the engine too has the capability to escape rotten positions
>>by tactical wizardy. I am aware of that. Nevertheless, I am against
>>the development of computerchess into positional dumbness (even if
>>they become tactical wizards).
>>
>>These are simply my political views. I was content when Hiarcs was
>>in the lead because then I saw a future of intelligent (not merely
>>strong) programs. But when Fritz5 is in the lead I see a future of
>>positionally dumb but strong programs that often plays awkwardly (but
>>nevertheless wins by tactical superiority).
>
>I couldn't agree more. This seems to have been the year of the fast
>searchers. They improved in strength more than the knowledgeable
>programs. Last year it was the other way around. Still, Fritz 5 and
>Nimzo 98 know quite a bit more than their predecessors. And yes, Fritz 5
>is positionally weaker than the other top programs, but it's main
>improvement over Fritz 4 is in knowledge, not in speed.
>
>I am too much more interested in positional improvements. In my opinion,
>time (faster processors) is in their favor. We'll see what Rebel 10 and
>Hiarcs 7 can do.
>
>Enrique
>
>>Mats
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I think it would be easyer for the fast searchers to take advantage of
the faster processors then the more positional based programs. Im sure
it will be just a matter of time before the other programs catch up or
surpass the fast search programs. Unless the hardware speed has now
reached the point where it is better for the programs to see the things
more in a tactical light. Instead of slowing down the search to try to
give them a more human positional style. Then next 18 month will be fun
to watch to see what approch comes out on top in the long run. With
hardware speed increasing almost 100% every year it may give the fast
search programs the edge untill the pace of newer and faster chips slows
down a bit. It looks to me though the trend will be for programmers to
look more at tactical speed and just put as much positional
understanding in there programs as they can but not at the expense of
tactical speed. From what I have read on rebels web site even Rebel 10
will be more concerned about tactical speed then chess knowledge. I
think it will take a Knowledge based program to be on top again to
reserve this trend. If this does not happen all chess programs will
become like Fritz and nimzo or they will die off.
Mark
Young
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