Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 08:12:10 04/12/98
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>>>I couldn't agree more. This seems to have been the year of the fast >>>searchers. They improved in strength more than the knowledgeable >>>programs. Last year it was the other way around. Still, Fritz 5 and >>>Nimzo 98 know quite a bit more than their predecessors. >At times I think you want to misunderstand. I'll spell it diffeently: in >the last 12 months(10, 12, 15) fast searchers improved in strength more >than the others, talking about top programs. So you don't count YEARS but MONTHS. In your above text you spoke about this year as the year of the fast-searchers. Paris 97 was a waterloo for ALL fast searchers. Dark Thought, Crafty, Ferret, Fritz - they had major problems in showing their "strength". Only a tournament. I know. But a championship. The ssdf-list was leaded months by hiarcs6 and Rebel9. BOTH very knowledged programs and NOT to bring in the same category like the above fast searchers. Since CB has established their special-device-driver suddenly Fritz is number one and YOU claim it to be the year of the fast searchers ? Nimzo has made progress. This was caused due to many reasons. The same counts for Fritz5 IMO. I don't think Fritz5 or Nimzo98 will dominate the rest of the year. YOU claim that this has happened ! In opposite to your statement I will present auto232-games (40 in 120) Nimzo98 (paderborn-version) - CSTal (cstblack-version) that shows that Nimzo98 is not stronger than a slow-searcher. >Basically, Mchess 7 = >Mchess 6 and Rebel 9 = Rebel 8. Nonsense-. Rebel8 to rebel9 was a jump. Ed made progress. Why do you try to deny this ? Mchess6 to Mchess7 was not a big jump-. We all know the background of Marty Hirsch having big financial problems and not anymore able to concentrate 100 % on computerchess since he has to work to finance his life with NON-computerchess stuff. It is unfair to mention in SUCH a time that his program is not making progress and to abstract theories general to ALL slow programs just Marty has had problems with Stamer not paying Mchess-money to him. > We don't have a Hiarcs 7 yet. Same situation. You relate 2 non-professionals (Marty + Mark) and generalize to claim: the slow-knowledged programs have not made progress. As ssdf-list has shown, rebel9 has made progress. So there your claim is wrong. As Marty + Mark are not professionals and don't have much time, it is unfair to relate them to big companies like CB or a professional-team like the austrian Nimzo-team. The only teams you are allowed to relate is e.g. Schroeder team or Whittington team. Here your claim will not work. :-) >Instead, >Nimzo 98 and Fritz 5 are quite a bit stronger than prior versions. Mumpitz ! Nimzo98 is stronger. Fritz5 has a special device and special conditions that lead to a special ELO. If you put Fritz in a surrounding like all the others have, it will get what it deserves. Why e.g. was Fritz5 not that succesful in Eric Hallsworth manually outplayed games ? >Shredder 2 is also stronger than Shredder 1, but I don't think it >belongs in the top group yet. Satisfied? I don't subscribe to this opinion. Shredder 2 belongs into the top-group IMO. >Enrique Different people, different opinions. BTW: between CSTal and Nimzo it is 3 wins for Tal, 1 draw. 0 losses.
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