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Subject: Re: Ferret - by Ray Keene of BGN

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:47:49 05/11/01

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On May 11, 2001 at 10:18:28, Larry Proffer wrote:

>
>Game published in Spectator chess article today by Ray Keene of BGN. The article
>by Keene is weekly regular, occupies two thirds of a page and is in depth each
>time. Spectator is a weekly magazine.
>
>Note that these columns get written several weeks before they get published.
>
>Typed in as published (ie not PGN, and beware of typos) with Keene's comments:
>Shirov-Ferret(a software program): Internet Chess Club Blitz 1996; Giuoco Piano
>1. e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 d3 Nf6 5 c3 a6 6 Nbd2 d6 7 Bd3 O-O 8 O-O Ba7 9
>Re1 Be6 10 Bc2? {This allows Black to win material, and typically the computer
>is not slow to seize its chance.} 10 ...Ng4 11 Re2 Bxf2+! 12 Rxf2 Ne3 13 Qe2
>Nxc2 14 Rb1 Bxa2 15 b3 Bxb1 15 Nxb1 Na1 17 Qb2 d5 18 Nbd2 dxe4 19 dxe4 Nxb3 20
>Qxb3 {With a rook and three pawns for two minor pieces, Black should have some
>advantage, but ...} 20 ... b5 21 h4 Qd7 22 Ba3 Rfe8 23 Ng5 Nd8 24 Ndf3 c6 25 Rd2
>Qa7+ 26 Kh2 a5 27 Qd1 h6 28 Rd7 Qe3 29 Be7 hxg5 30 Bxg5 {Surely this sacrifice
>cannot work against a strong computer?} 30 ...Qb6 31 h5 Ne6 32 h6 Nc5 33 hxg7
>Nxd7 34 Nh4 (Diagram shown here) 34 ...Qc7? {35 ...c5 is correct although after
>35 Qh5 f6 36 Be3 White still had a strong attack.} 35 Qh5! {Now it's forced
>mate} 35 ...f6 36 Nf5 Qb6 (Or 36 ...fxg5 37 Qg6, followed by Nh6  37 Qg6 Qg1+ 38
>Kxg1 fxg5 39 Nh6 mate
>
>
>Look's like Ferret was considered. And rejected. Was this the data? Did they
>present other data on Ferret?
>
>And Keene needed something for the column, so the game found its way in.
>
>If they considered Ferret, they'll also have considered Crafty.
>
>Hell, this shows they 'considered' everything.


It really doesn't show anything.  Ferret at that time was running on a
single cpu pentium pro 200 I believe.  At least that is what I was using
at that time and Bruce and I were using identical hardware.

It was a reasonable anti-computer game.   Whether he could do that with today's
ferret and today's hardware is a totally different question.



>
>
>Here are the programs you should consider, here is the data that backs that view
>.....
>
>Here are the programs you should reject, here is the data that backs that view
>.....


There is no data for the second statement in the above game.  IE Shirov would
stomp the hell out of 1996 Fritz on a pentium pro 200 just as easily if not
easier.



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