Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 18:56:55 05/11/01
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On May 11, 2001 at 16:01:29, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>On May 11, 2001 at 14:53:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 2001 at 12:36:50, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>On May 11, 2001 at 10:47:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>It really doesn't show anything. Ferret at that time was running on a
>>>>single cpu pentium pro 200 I believe. At least that is what I was using
>>>>at that time and Bruce and I were using identical hardware.
>>>>
>>>>It was a reasonable anti-computer game. Whether he could do that with today's
>>>>ferret and today's hardware is a totally different question.
>>>
>>>That game was played on a Pentium 133 that had two copies of the program running
>>>simultaneously. I was at work, and for such an important game I didn't want to
>>>have someone burst into my office and demand I do something intensive on my
>>>computer, so I asked my wife to start it for me at home, and she got two copies
>>>going at once by mistake. I did not announce this at the time, because I didn't
>>>want to be accused of whining about the losses. He won against the best I could
>>>do that day, and I accepted that.
>>
>>I remember that now... I think this might have been just before we both moved
>>to P6/200's then... I remember the "wife" problem when we were chatting...
>
>It wasn't really a problem. I gave her instructions over the phone and she did
>the best she could. She was probably chasing two kids around, and it's not like
>she spends a lot of time messing with Window NT and my chess program in
>particular.
>
>>>Those two games (Shirov won both) have become signature games for my program for
>>>some reason. I still hear about them despite their being played approximately
>>>five years ago.
>>>
>>>But that *was* old hardware, and the version I was running was approximately
>>>*800* distinct versions ago.
>>>
>>>I was honored that my program was able to play some 30 0 versus Shirov, and he
>>>did a great job bashing in the program. Shirov is *in my own limited
>>>experience* the strongest anti-computer GM, and he could have probably totalled
>>>the program on any hardware.
>>>
>>>I will say that I spoke with Shirov after he played some 5 0 against Ferret on
>>>my 533 mhz Alpha in approximately 1998. He told me that he thought it seemed as
>>>if it was seeing as much in 5 0 as it did in those 30 0 games. It's very
>>>interesting that 500/133 or 500/66, whichever you wish to use, is approximately
>>>6, so he is pretty close to right. Of course now it would be seeing the same
>>>stuff in a 2 0 or a 3 0.
>>>
>>>I'm surprised that Keene couldn't find something more modern. If he's looking
>>>for bad games against humans, there was the game against Vaganian at the 1999
>>>WCCC post-tournament exhibition, where my program moved its QB 4 times in a row,
>>>in order to get it from c1 to d2. If he wants to see a bad game against a
>>>computer, he can pick the one against Hiarcs from the same event. If he wants
>>>to see a good game he can examine the one versus Fritz at that event.
>>>
>>>bruce
>>
>>
>>I think it was just a so-called "puff-piece" that needed a bit of filler, and
>>your game became "it" for the week. :)
>
>Oh well. As long as he didn't say I was an idiot or something. That would mark
>the first time a reporter of any sort got something right.
>
>bruce
Ahem... Given the current stream of events what were the odds that the Ferret
game would come to Keene's mind just by chance?
In particular a LOST game from 5 years ago?
What is the subliminal message behind his paper?
Look... Now I'm talking exactly like Larry Proffer! :)
Christophe
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