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Subject: Re: Why won't Fritz play bxc6 instead of Rxc6 in Deep Blue Game 6

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:17:44 05/12/01

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On May 12, 2001 at 10:54:42, Joshua Lee wrote:

>>>The fact that deep blue played a different move does not prove nothing.
>>>Both Rxc6 and bxc6 are losing moves and different extensions can encourage a
>>>program to play a different move.
>>>
>>>We do not have the logfile of deep blue from these games so we can know nothing
>>>about the line that Deep blue saw and if it changed it's mind from Rxc6 to bxc6
>>>so it seem that using this position to compare between the first Deep Blue and
>>>the commercial programs is useless.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>That's why I asked.  First, DB1 had several shortcomings that were addressed
>>in the new chip used in DB2.  Second we had no output from DB1 as you said,
>>so there is no way to know what it saw and what the eval was (of course, for
>>DB2 it is not easy to know what it saw either since it can not display all
>>(or even most) of the PVs.
>
>
>This Comes close to giving me an answer, I don't understand how exactly Deep
>Blue 1 goes for the so called worse move but Fritz goes for the other even if
>you let it think to the same amount of nodes.


Different programs have different evaluation function so you can learn nothing.
It is not a case when one move is clearly forced so a different evaluation
function can explain everything.

I know from experience in my correspondence games that different programs may
play different moves in all time control.

There was one case when Deep fritz played move A and did not change it's
mind(unless you count the first plies)  when Gandalf played move B and also did
not change it's mind.

GambitTiger2 played move A but after almost an hour changed it's mind to move C.
and stick into move C in the next plies.

The programs searched for a lot of hours in all the cases.

Uri



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