Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 15:34:29 05/12/01
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On May 12, 2001 at 18:26:31, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On May 12, 2001 at 18:08:38, Jonas Cohonas wrote: > >>On May 12, 2001 at 16:28:51, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:23:21, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>> >>>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:11:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>>In my opinion no program can - on tournament level 40/120 - get more than 2300 >>>>>ELO against solid human players. The shorter the time control the higher the >>>>>perfomance of the computer programs. And by the way, the SSDF list is at least >>>>>about 200-300 ELO too high. >>>>>Kurt >>>> >>>>Then how did DJ6 score 2703 against Human Gm's??? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Jonas >>> >>>Study the games, and you will not much see of what I understand about soldid >>>playing. As already mentioned earlier I still get about 30 % against the >>>monsters without using any anti computer strategy. And this should simply not be >>>possible for a player with about 2000 ELO? >>> >>>Regards >>>Kurt >> >>What hardware do you run the progs on when you get a 30% score? is that a 30% of >>ALL the games you have played against progs? if so could you please post ALL the >>games so i can see the 30% score with my own eyes? To say that the games DJ6 >>played against GM's where not what you concider "solid" chess is to say that the >>GM's played weak against DJ6 if they had played "solid" they would have >>capitalized on DJ6 "unsolid" play, to play for a draw against any of the top 10 >>prog's, atleast 1 year ago, is not so hard if that is your main goal from the >>word go, but to win is whole other kedle of fish!!! and since GM's play to win >>and not to DRAW! they wil get stomped once in a while. >> >>Regards >>Jonas > >I think you have mentioned something very important: the GM's almost always play >to win and unfortunately even in situations where positions are equal. This does >not function against computers. And furthermore we should not forget one thing, >namely the psychological factor: if GM's are playing vs machines in public, the >are under a severe pressure to demonstrate their strenght. Please look at the >games Rebel Century3 vs John van der Wiel: It is hardly understandable how many >times van der Wiel made tactical blunders. Would the GM have made the same >mistakes against a human opponent? I am not at all sure. My opinion is the >following: If John van der Wiel played against computers at home without being >"disturbed" by any kind of public pressure, he would at 40/120 win against Rebel >Century3 without much difficulty. >Regards >Kurt Is that a fact? do you know that he would win or are you doing a wee bit of speculation here? you say that it does not work to play for a win in equal positions against a program, is that because of their "unsolid" play? and when a 2700+ human GM tries to win and fails is that because the program is unsolid?? If anything todays topten programs run on the best hardware are very SOLID!!! Regard Jonas
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