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Subject: Re: If programs are only IM strength, why bother to play Kramnik??

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 15:39:05 05/12/01

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On May 12, 2001 at 17:37:09, william penn wrote:

>On May 12, 2001 at 16:28:51, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:23:21, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>
>>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:11:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>In my opinion no program can - on tournament level 40/120 - get more than 2300
>>>>ELO against solid human players. The shorter the time control the higher the
>>>>perfomance of the computer programs. And by the way, the SSDF list is at least
>>>>about 200-300 ELO too high.
>>>>Kurt
>>>
>>>Then how did DJ6 score 2703 against Human Gm's???
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Jonas
>>
>>Study the games, and you will not much see of what I understand about soldid
>>playing. As already mentioned earlier I still get about 30 % against the
>>monsters without using any anti computer strategy. And this should simply not be
>>possible for a player with about 2000 ELO?
>>
>>Regards
>
>
> Hi Kurt
>
> Can you tell me why you believe programs to only be 2300 elo inspite of the
>2500+ results ? Do you Personally know 2300 players that do 50% or more against
>the top programs?, and if so can you post some games? Lastly if you believe that
>programs are only 2300elo why do you refer to them as "monsters"?.

Hi William
Well, I must admit that I have - to bring up a hot discussion - somewhat
exaggerated. But it is still my deepest conviction that no chess program has
more than 2500 ELO. And furthermore there are some other points why I am
convinced that the programs are less strong than rated. Look at my answer to
Jonas Cohonas.
Regards
Kurt



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