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Subject: Re: If programs are only IM strength, why bother to play Kramnik??

Author: william penn

Date: 17:09:40 05/12/01

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On May 12, 2001 at 18:39:05, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On May 12, 2001 at 17:37:09, william penn wrote:
>
>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:28:51, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:23:21, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 12, 2001 at 16:11:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In my opinion no program can - on tournament level 40/120 - get more than 2300
>>>>>ELO against solid human players. The shorter the time control the higher the
>>>>>perfomance of the computer programs. And by the way, the SSDF list is at least
>>>>>about 200-300 ELO too high.
>>>>>Kurt
>>>>
>>>>Then how did DJ6 score 2703 against Human Gm's???
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Jonas
>>>
>>>Study the games, and you will not much see of what I understand about soldid
>>>playing. As already mentioned earlier I still get about 30 % against the
>>>monsters without using any anti computer strategy. And this should simply not be
>>>possible for a player with about 2000 ELO?
>>>
>>>Regards
>>
>>
>> Hi Kurt
>>
>> Can you tell me why you believe programs to only be 2300 elo inspite of the
>>2500+ results ? Do you Personally know 2300 players that do 50% or more against
>>the top programs?, and if so can you post some games? Lastly if you believe that
>>programs are only 2300elo why do you refer to them as "monsters"?.
>
>Hi William
>Well, I must admit that I have - to bring up a hot discussion - somewhat
>exaggerated. But it is still my deepest conviction that no chess program has
>more than 2500 ELO. And furthermore there are some other points why I am
>convinced that the programs are less strong than rated. Look at my answer to
>Jonas Cohonas.
>Regards
>Kurt


  Originally you said not more than 2300 was that a typo? If you meant 2500,
then we are not to much in disagreement although I would think they are closer
to 2600 on the very best hardware.



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