Author: Chessfun
Date: 19:28:33 05/12/01
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On May 12, 2001 at 21:58:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 12, 2001 at 10:55:18, Larry Proffer wrote: > >>On May 12, 2001 at 10:13:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2001 at 07:25:50, Larry Proffer wrote: >>> >>>>On May 12, 2001 at 02:17:18, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 11, 2001 at 21:56:55, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>Ahem... Given the current stream of events what were the odds that the Ferret >>>>>>game would come to Keene's mind just by chance? >>>>>> >>>>>>In particular a LOST game from 5 years ago? >>>>>> >>>>>>What is the subliminal message behind his paper? >>>>> >>>>>:-))) >>>>> >>>>>>Look... Now I'm talking exactly like Larry Proffer! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Christophe >>>>> >>>>>right. and the reason is that you feel that the message is: >>>>> >>>>>keene has been influenced by misleading data, he got manipulated. >>>>> >>>>>there have been people trying to influence the event with showing wrong >>>>>and misleading information. WHY? >>>>> >>>>>because they wanted all the money and the fame and the control over the event, >>>>>FOR THEMSELVES. >>>> >>>>But Chessbase have very generously pledged the money (if they win) of four >>>>hundred thousand US dollars to a young players fund - or so it says on their >>>>website. >>>> >>>>So that's $400,000 for the program if it wins, and $600,000 for Kramnik who >>>>would correspondlingly lose. >>> >>>You are missing the point. ChessBase isn't playing for the "prize" money. >>>They are playing for the advertising/free publicity. _That_ is worth far more >>>than $400,000. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>However, if Kramnik wins, he gets $800,000; and since I read somewhere the total >>>>prize money is $1,000,000, would it be reasonable to assume therefore, that if >>>>the program loses, it gets $200,000 ? >>>> >>>>Does anyone know if this is true? $400,000 for a win, $200,000 for a draw or >>>>loss? >>> >>>Whomever came up with that way of doing prizes was 100% brain-dead. Why not >>>just say "human gets it all, whether he wins or loses" and be done with it? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Also, if true, is Chessbase generously pledging the $200,000 to the "young >>>>players fund" (if they lose)? >>>> >>>> >>>>It seems to me that Chessbase are an honourable and reasonable company; so your >>>>statement that "they wanted all the money" can't be true if "they" is Chessbase. >>>>Otherwise why give it all away so generously if they win? >>> >>> >>>It isn't about the prize money, whether ChessBase is honorable or not. It is >>>about the publicity, which the computer will get whether it wins or loses. It >>>appears to be the "best computer chess program in the world" to the general >>>layperson. >> >>It is hard to disagree with you. >> >>But, still the question is begged .... >> >>Why did Ossi throw all this free publicity for Shredder and minimum $200,000 >>away? > > >I don't know, but I could at least speculate a bit: > >1. Shredder is the current WCCC and WMCCC titleholder. > >2. Beating Deep Fritz in a match would not be easy. Say it is a toss-up. >that means a coin-flip could negate the two titles Shredder holds. > >3. Perhaps it is better to hold on to those titles, refuse to play, and look >like you got the shaft, rather than play and possibly end up looking worse if >the match is lost. > >IE a lot to lose, but a lot to gain. If you believe the gain is less than the >loss, then you don't play. > >Whether this has anything to do with reality is only speculation, of course. >take it with a big block of salt... An analogy which IMO was used in practice. Sarah. > >> >>Why did he throw it away so his biggest competitor picked it up? >> >>Because Kramnik wanted the program 3 months early? Come on. >> >>Smart businessman doesn't give away assets of $200,000 guaranteed plus Hyatt's >>estimate of $400,000 worth of publicity for nothing. Does he? In a fit of pique? >>Because the program can be played with beforehand? >> >>Smart businessman never does anything unless he sees profit. Old Chinese saying. >> >>Smart programmer doesn't allow it either. New Chinese saying.
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