Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 13:25:32 05/13/01
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On May 13, 2001 at 14:40:47, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 13, 2001 at 14:29:01, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On May 13, 2001 at 06:55:49, Sune Larsson wrote: >> >>>On May 13, 2001 at 02:48:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>Yesterday there was a hot discussion abouth the strenght of chess computers. I >>>>said that no program has more than 2500 ELO and that "weaker" players can fight >>>>with good chances to draw and that I could not understand why the GM's do so >>>>hard against the computers. On the other hand I tried to find some explanation >>>>for that. Below now my last ten games, four times a loss and six times a draw, >>>>that means a score of 30 percent. >>>> >>>>ChessBase7 says: >>>> >>>>Average rating Utzinger = 1978 ELO (performance = 2341 ELO) >>>>Average rating computers = 2490 ELO (performance = 2127 ELO) >>> >>>>snip >>> >>>Hello Kurt, >>> >>>thanks for your games! I found them very interesting and very well worth >>>a closer look. Some reflections: >>> >>>I think you're showing a solid play that actually lies a couple of hundred >>>points above your present rating. Furthermore 40 moves in 40' is 3 times >>>faster than traditional tournament level. From my own experience I know >>>that it's sometimes very hard to hold your game together in the last 10-15 >>>moves before the first time control. The programs punish you for every >>>slight mistake! You show a nice opening knowledge with positional play as >>>white and a preference for putting your pawns on the white squares as black - >>>Caro Kann-French-Dutch. Overall you have a good positional understanding, >>>therebye neutralizing tactical attempts from the programs. The endgame looks >>>okey and you're familiar with the famous art of doing nothing...;) >>> >>>Alltogether this gives me the impression of a player worth more than ELO 1978. >>>Unless your tactics sucks bigtime of course...;) Haven't seen anything of that >>>in these 10 games though. >>> >>>In some games I noticed a tendency for you to swap pieces /after good openings/, >>>in an attempt to reduce the pressure /and possibly out of respect for the >>>opponent/, which in fact created problems for you. >>> >>>It's hard to evaluate the strength of chess programs, according to human >>>formulas, since they can alter between 1700-2700, depending on the actual >>>position on the board. All the comp-comp testing might also contribute >>>to the development of a certain kind of computer playing style. For me, that >>>makes the experiments of CS Tal, Crafty, Rebel and Gambit Tiger particularly >>>interesting, since they also /or mostly?!/ focus on human opponents. >>> >>>Sune >> >>Hello Sune >> >>Very well commented. Unfortunately it is hardly possible to win for a player of >>my strength against the best programs at time control 40/40'. For me it is >>always a good training to play such matches. And it must also be mentioned that >>there are two programs that only by way of exception allow me to draw: These two >>are: Hiarcs732 and MChessPro. >>Regards >>Kurt > >I am interested to know what is your performance in the last 10 games that you >played against humans and when did you play these games. > >Uri Hello Uri I have checked even further back, my last 29 games played against humans in our club tournament, tournaments in our region, Swiss team champion ship, with the following results: Utzinger = rated games 29 [average ELO 1935] performance = 2072 ELO Opponents = rated games 29 [average ELO 1999] performance = 1856 ELO Total 29 games = 7 wins / 22 draws Games played with White pieces = 13 [1x win / 12x draw] Games played with Black pieces = 16 [6x win / 10 x draw] Kurt
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