Author: Robert Raese
Date: 14:04:11 05/13/01
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On May 13, 2001 at 04:24:41, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On May 12, 2001 at 22:40:24, john rice wrote: > >>I keep reading that CT14 is the stronger program of the two, yet in all of the >>tournament results I've seen posted here at CCC GT2 beats CT14 most of the time. >>Based on the results of around 30 games played at yahoo, GT2 does have a higher >>success rate than CT14. IMO Deep Fritz is still a little stronger than both >>programs. >>JR > >Due to the fact that too few games have been played I would say it is somewhat >too early to definitely say that GT_2 is stronger than CT_14. I have made the >experience that programs being able to play on an equal level vs GT_2 have a lot >of difficulty in doing the same vs CT_14. >Kurt i have had the same experience, kurt. since the new tiger engines were released i've played 2200+ (3 to 5 minute blitz) games at ICC with them... i will say this... as a rule, if i am trying to win games and get rating points i play tiger 14. most series i've played, tiger 14 vs. deep fritz, fritz can't handle tiger. i'm talking 30 to 50 game series... i think i've won about 5 of those and lost 2 against fritzes on equal hardware... and by a narrow margin. fritz is a dangerous opponant, but not as strong as tiger 14. another observation i feel pretty confident making... gambit 2 doesn't beat fritz like tiger 14 can. on the flipside... when i want to enjoy watching the games unfold, and i don't care about points, i play gambit 2. i always play gambit 2 against humans because of the wild games that develop. (as a bonus, my own ICC rating has gone up 150 points since i started watching these tigers dismantle their opponants... sort of like osmosis i guess... not from practice, that's for sure!) i do NOT mean to imply that gambit 2 is weak... no way... is it very strong, will beat most other engines consistently, but i believe tiger 14 is stronger. tiger 14's ICC rating, running on AMD 1.2 GHz, averages around 3000 ... and that rating has been established against all comers -- i have no formula, and i do not have a noplay list. there are a number of computers at ICC with ratings significantly higher, all the way to 3400, but they do things differently... they are very selective about who they match. they will only play opponants with extremely high ratings, and they do things like noplay other machines that beat them, etc. the highest ratings on ICC belong to the machines that only play against humans at blitz time controls, obviously. also... by far, my toughest opponants on ICC are all playing tiger 14. in fact, if you go there and check what software most of the computers in the 2800-3200 range are playing, you'll find it's truly a "jungle" over there... most of them are tigers... against them, only my faster hardware gives me an edge... you're not going to find another engine that beats those guys consistently on equal hardware. not scientific observations, i understand that... but my 2 cents "from the trenches." :)
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